Common soldiers tents/shelters.

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Common soldiers tents/shelters.

Postby Bucket » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:26 pm

I know this has probably been covered before, but I cant find the info.
Does anyone out there have pictorial or primary source information for what the common soldier would have slept under on campaign, I know they would have been billeted if possible,but what did they use otherwise. I'm looking for actual evidence of either canvas or brush shelters/ lean to's that may have been used.
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Re: Common soldiers tents/shelters.

Postby Brother Ranulf » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:17 pm

Which specific time period? Do you mean in England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales or somewhere in Continental Europe - or somewhere else?

Taking the Northallerton campaign of 1138 as a typical 12th century example, the Anglo-Norman army assembled from Ripon, York and Beverley, as well as a small contingent from much further south; they were all billeted with the townspeople of York two nights before the battle, the aristocrats presumably helping themselves to beds while the militia and retinues slept in barns, outhouses and store buildings. The following day was spent in marching to Thirsk, where news arrived of the approaching Scots army, so an immediate night march was ordered to the area of Cowton Moor, north of Northallerton - so nobody in the Anglo-Norman army got any sleep that night. After the battle everyone went home, so there was no need for billets, tents or anything else.

The only other pitched battle fought in England in the entire 12th century was the disastrous battle at Lincoln (February 1141), where Stephen's army had been in a siege camp; no details of the accommodation are recorded, but is is likely that only noble and their close retinues had tents, everyone else fending for themselves as best they could.

Common soldiers rarely warrant a mention in the chronicles written at the time, so researching specifics is almost impossible.


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Re: Common soldiers tents/shelters.

Postby Bucket » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:11 pm

should have said sorry. Looking for 15th century either English or burgundian. I know that primary source is going to be very difficult to find. But im sure when there was a tent thread that there were images that did show other types of shelters than just the bog standard medieval tents.



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Re: Common soldiers tents/shelters.

Postby Grymm » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:28 pm

Late 15thC Burgundian camp with thatched shelters
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16thC German but lots a simple shelters and summit centre back that looks like the old SCUM bender tent from umpty several years back.
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Bit more in this thread too http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14355


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Re: Common soldiers tents/shelters.

Postby Bucket » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:06 pm

thanks Grymm, yep I remember that bender.
the German one is one of the images that I was trying to find
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Postby Colin Middleton » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:25 pm

Grymm wrote:Late 15thC Burgundian camp with thatched shelters
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That's the one that I couldn't find! Where is it from?


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Postby PaulMurphy » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:03 pm

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... ni_015.jpg

Palazzo Pubblico, Siena, dated 1328, by Simone Martini

Though note that there is some discussion over the dating and the content e.g. http://smarterritorialist.wordpress.com ... tribution/


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Postby PaulMurphy » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:28 pm

JSTOR can provide access to a review of the fresco's dating and attribution which is detailed:

Joseph Polzer
Jahrbuch der Berliner Museen
25. Bd., (1983), pp. 103-141


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Re: Common soldiers tents/shelters.

Postby Colin Middleton » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:14 pm

Thank you.

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