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Canvas Sword bags

Postby steven pole » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:07 pm

I'm not sure if people make these already, but I've started making duck canvas sword bags to keep prying eyes away from prized weapons (Fnar fnar
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Postby oakenshield » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:09 pm

it looks more like a giant spatular bag


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Postby steven pole » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:35 pm

Hmm, could be. I guess there where camp followers who used giant spatulas to defend the camp against marauding french chefs.



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Postby Strickland » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:06 pm

Interesting Steve! I wondered what the finished article would look like! Perhaps you need to explain that they are a bespoke item for a particular type of sword.

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Postby steven pole » Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:51 am

Hmm, well they are kinda generic really. They can be adjusted to fit any sword. 47" long bag including the fold over flap to fit a 37" blade that is 3" wide.
Sorry if this sounds a bit random, I've been out to a pub tonight and had an excellent night. :-)



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Postby Joolz » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:43 pm

And here they are in action. Just the job to protect your precious things from damage in transit and storage.

Approximate dimensions are overall length from 56 to 62", width of wide bit around 14", width of narrow bit around 4". Lots of scope for adjustment to fit a variety of sword sizes/shapes. With a useful D-ring for hanging them up.
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Postby steven pole » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:29 pm

Thank you for showing your swords in the bags. Nice to see the finished article in use :-)
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Postby paul bennett » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:34 pm

You will probably get sine interest at the schola forum:
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=7


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Postby steven pole » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:57 pm

Coo, looks like a place that needs sword bags.



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Postby paul bennett » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:36 pm

Make a bag that will hold a sword, a fencing mask and a large jacket and you will clean up


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Postby steven pole » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:53 pm

I'd need to get my hands on all these items to even start to make a bag to hold them.
I can imagine some kind of rollup bag with pockets on the inside to hold all the kit though.
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Postby Joolz » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:06 pm

Steve,

Before you get too carried away with designing a fencing bag to hold a sword/mask/jacket, be aware that most of my lot use golf bag 'travel covers' which already do the job for around £20-£30 max., come in varying capacities, with or without wheels and padding, and usually have external compartments. You'd be competing directly with an imported, mass-produced product - not usually a good idea!

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Postby steven pole » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:08 pm

I'll leave that one to you guys then, hehe.



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Postby Phil the Grips » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:13 pm

There's also this specialist fencing bag already. I can fit three masks, two jackets, ten foils in it and still have room for a dead body! (lifting it however is an entirely different matter...)
http://cavalierattitude.com/


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Postby paul bennett » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:37 am

It's still worth hawking these bags though.


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Postby Dave B » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:50 am

I think there is still mileage in the canvas fencing bag though. The design could be quite basic (like this one, a single compartment, which is shaped to take a couple of swords, a mask and a jacket)

http://www.leonpaul.com/acatalog/Allkit_bag.html

I far prefer natural fibre stuff, it has a better look, and when it gets battered it looks 'lived in' rather than wrecked, and it can be repaired rather than being throwaway - actualy I've been trying to figure out the pattern to sew myself one in leather. I'm sure many historical fencers / Western Martial artists would feel the same.

Also I take modern training kit to reenactment events for use out of hours. OK you wouldn't deliberately have your fencing bag out in front of the public but at least if it is natural fibre you don't have to worry about hiding it perfectly.

I think the idea has legs. If you did a sort of 'guitar bag' shape and got it right, it would either carry a sword, fencing jacket, gloves and mask for the western martial artist on thier way to training, or a sword, jack, helmet and gloves for the reenactor.

Obviously it depends on coming up with the right pattern that does not take too much material and can be knocked up quickly on a machine so that the price isn't too high.


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Postby taliabee » Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:11 pm

paul bennett wrote:Make a bag that will hold a sword, a fencing mask and a large jacket and you will clean up


and the blasted plastic boob tray for girls!
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Postby Fox » Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:52 pm

taliabee wrote:and the blasted plastic boob tray for girls!
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Postby Joolz » Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:02 pm

I think a canvas kit bag for the re-enactor and his/her sword/helmet/jack has more legs than one for WMA (where an 'authentic' look is not really necessary). I too prefer the natural look of canvas (which is why I got these sword bags), but most fencers just want a big, cheap kit bag on castors they can chuck stuff in.

An authenti-bag would maybe take a similar form to an Army/Navy canvas kit bag? Length may be an issue as some swords can be quite long.......

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Postby paul bennett » Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:27 pm

The golf carry bags tend to end up full of holes from quillons and sword tips. if the canvas is harder wearing, it will be a hit.
Besides, there are a fair amount of HEMA folks who like the psudo-historic look.


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Postby Dave B » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:39 pm

Also if you use the 'guitar case' shape of the leon paul club bags, then you direct the point into a sort of 'cone' at the end, and this could have an extra thicknes with non-overlapping seams so that points didn't go through.

I think the way you close it at the wide end would need thinking about, the Leon Paul ones use zips, but I don't think thats the answer.

As for tititectors, they are jolly disconcerting when you hit them and sometimes they make that hollow clack. There are loads of women in my fencing club and I can't help thinking 'goodness, they're firm' whenever it happens.


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Postby Phil the Grips » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:56 pm

Bibikov have disapeared but their stock still circles the internet on occasion- very sturdy canvas bag, leather reinforces, industrial brass zip, and easily repaired when the stitching goes.

I wish I had bought a couple more when they were dirt cheap on ebay a few years back and use one as my "studying" bag when I only need to carry perosnal kit.

By far the majority of WMA folk couldn't give a toss what their bag is made of or how it looks- inded it is irreleavnt to a large number (pugilists, savateurs, Bartitsuka etc etc) and Cavalier Attitude is proving rather succesful with those that do.


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Postby Dave B » Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:39 am

Not really sure of your point Phil? We were talking about sword bags, so obviously when people mention the WMA market, I think it can be taken as read that they mean the sword based martial arts. I kind of goes without saying that martial artists that do not use sword won't be interested in sword bags.

And as for the Cavalier attitude bags? well I know that they are only about £50 in the states, but I seem to recall that the shipping makes them more expensive over here? so I'm sure there would be a market for alternatives. And some people just like natural fibres over plastic. I wear my Barbour international in preference to a cheaper and lighter goretex for example.


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Postby steven pole » Sat May 01, 2010 8:16 pm

Gosh, this has sparked up a good conversation, hehe.
I like the idea of inserting some kind of cone in the end of the bags, I could make one from leather and simply push it into the end of the bag.
I'd prefer to keep the design simple instead of adding all the whistles and bells as people start questioning the price. The cost can be kept down by mass manufacturers but I'm a poor soul in a one bedroom flat making one offs or small quantities.



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Postby paul bennett » Sat May 01, 2010 8:20 pm

best bet is to post on schola forum and see if there are any takers.


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Postby steven pole » Sat May 01, 2010 10:01 pm

Yes. I have joined their forum and I will be posting some pictures there.
Thanks for the help everyone.



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Postby Sir Thomas Hylton » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:07 pm

Joolz wrote:Steve,

Before you get too carried away with designing a fencing bag to hold a sword/mask/jacket, be aware that most of my lot use golf bag 'travel covers' which already do the job for around £20-£30 max., come in varying capacities, with or without wheels and padding, and usually have external compartments. You'd be competing directly with an imported, mass-produced product - not usually a good idea!

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I've used guitar & bass bags, which do well enough for going to practice sessions...

However, ..... I really like the idea of a bag or bags, or a roll I can readily take an event that does not need hiding out of site. something like those sword bags fits the bill, maybe apart from the chrome ring fitted to them but like the idea & think it has a lot of mileage :shh: :thumbup:

Could probably even get a buckler in the same design with the sword if need be, without too much trouble.

Think something along the lines of a chefs knife roll bag or spanner roll bag for those of us who want to take a few swords & keep them together in a manageable bundle would be the way to go. :coffee:



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Postby steven pole » Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:53 pm

I didn't think this thread was still going? Hehe
I can make the bags without rings if you like. I don't mass produce, just a hobby, so let me know and we'll see what can be done.
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Re: Canvas Sword bags

Postby tabor » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:56 pm

Steve.

Could you do a canvas bag to fit a drum 15 inch diam and 16 inch high? (the dimensions are for the drum). I was thinking of a round bottomed bag with a drawstring top.

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Postby steven pole » Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:04 pm

Yes, a bag for a drum should be easy enough. I'm guessing you want it with a flat circular bottom?
I can make you one for £20.




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