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13thC Harness for a recreated 13thC Joust.

Postby Rod Walker » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:24 am

April 25, myself and Joram are planning to run a 13thC joust with each other. Solid timber lances, steel coronels and at large (no tiltline).

Putting the gear together.

Some pics of my harness as it stands today.

I still need to make the rivetted mufflers and to replace the coif with a rivetted intergral coif.

Not sure if I will get time to re-do my chausses in rivetted mail.

My barrel helm is being made at the moment, so I had to pose in my Norman helm. :D

I'll get Joram to post some pics of his 13thC harness as well.

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My Peter Lyon sword and laced scabbard.
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The strapping for my shield.



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Postby Andy R » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:27 am

Top stuff Rod..!! :D

Are you wearing/going to wear a coat of plates over the maile?


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Postby Cat » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:43 pm

Woah! Love the danglers on the trappings, and the legwear. Is this happening in Oz? POST PICS AND UTUBE-STUFF!

(please?)


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Postby Rod Walker » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:56 am

Hi, we will have early coats of plates over the mail.

We are doing this at my St Georges Day Jousts. The jousts are being filmed by a docu. crew.



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Postby Andy R » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:59 am

Cat wrote:Woah! Love the danglers on the trappings, and the legwear. Is this happening in Oz? POST PICS AND UTUBE-STUFF!

(please?)


I like this one of Rod's best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGMmiGNilYs&feature=channel_page


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Postby Jason » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:15 am

Great stuff. What diameter and type of wood are you planning on using, and what design of coronels? The Tudor solids we use give a right big thump when used, but I've noticed that the way they handle and break varies a lot with the weather - they shatter much more briskly and more cleanly in dry weather than on a damp morning on Pendennis headland for example. Looks like you'll have sunshine to do it over there. Can't wait to see the footage, best of luck! Kit looks brilliant too.



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Postby Brendan C » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:22 pm

Seriously impressed



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Postby Nigel » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:12 pm

Why ???? Brendan I would have though that you would know better

The whole image is more 11th century than 13th though still nice to see

There are some nice 13th bits but for example the helmet and coif are far too early for any knight to be using.


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Postby WorkMonkey » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:17 pm

He did appear to mention that his helm and coif were in the process of being updated...


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Postby narvek » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:10 pm

the shield and the sword are also not 11th century...

Well, he should waited and post a complete picture, alas, deed has been done...


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Postby Rod Walker » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:19 pm

Hi Jason, I have had good results with pine, so I'll be making some up to test this weekend. My coronel is back at the armourers being so he can make more of them.

The beauty of 13thC lances is that they are straight sided and not overly thick. We are thinking something around 32mm diameter.



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Postby Zachos » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:21 pm

Except the photos are in response to a request for them, so Rod took them with what was available. I'm dead impressed. The cahones needed to solid lance joust in maille is considerable to say the least.

And the photos, with the accompanying explanation of changes needed is something most of us do.

Dead excited Rod, keep us updated.


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Postby Rod Walker » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:29 pm

Nigel wrote:Why ???? Brendan I would have though that you would know better

The whole image is more 11th century than 13th though still nice to see

There are some nice 13th bits but for example the helmet and coif are far too early for any knight to be using.


I'm sure Nigel will be posting pics any day now of himself armoured up and mounted up to do a joust??

If you had bothered to read the text you would have seen that the helm and coif were just for these pics as the new ones are being made.

So, as the helm and coif are the only pieces of 11thC kit and the rest is 13thC than I guess you are wrong and that makes the photos above more 13th century than 11th.

Here is my old helm.
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Postby Brendan C » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:11 am

Nigel wrote:Why ???? Brendan I would have though that you would know better

The whole image is more 11th century than 13th though still nice to see

There are some nice 13th bits but for example the helmet and coif are far too early for any knight to be using.


Horse caprison of that style in the 11th century - not a chance

Mail chause of that style in the 11th century- not a chance

Surcoat in the 11th century (by Dr Dawson's own research) - not a chance

Sword - definatly post 11th century

Shield - spot on

Helm - barrel helm being constructed as Rod stated

Saddle and harness look great, but if I'm wrong, someone correct me

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Postby Malvoisin » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:01 pm

Brendan C wrote:[Saddle and harness look great, but if I'm wrong, someone correct me

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Posi drive screws?... definatly post 11th century. :wink:

Australian eucalyptus tree?... definatly not northern France. :P

Weather looks nice. :)


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Postby Nigel » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:39 pm

sorry meant 12th

but would still say if you havent got it all its beter to wait until you do

As to jousting whats that got to do with this.

Any fool can splash a load of cash and say look at me


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Postby Rod Walker » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:12 pm

Nigel wrote:sorry meant 12th

but would still say if you havent got it all its beter to wait until you do

As to jousting whats that got to do with this.

Any fool can splash a load of cash and say look at me


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Postby Biro » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:19 pm

Looking good - would like to see it with the finished helm + mufflers. Are you going the whole hog and making the mufflers integral too?

Whats under your feet? Is that mail covering the sole too?



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Postby Rod Walker » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:29 pm

Certainly am. Making the coif now.

The mail on the chausses is attached to a leather sole, I also have a thin turnshoe inside the chausses.



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13thc harness for a re-created 13thc joust

Postby Cecily » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:05 pm

Thanks for posting the photos; they're great, can't wait to see the next lot! I'd love to try out a medieval style saddle, but would give the jousting a miss, especially with a solid lance :shock: Have fun.



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Postby Nigel » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:25 pm

Rod Walker wrote:
Nigel wrote:sorry meant 12th

but would still say if you havent got it all its beter to wait until you do

As to jousting whats that got to do with this.

Any fool can splash a load of cash and say look at me


Don't feed the troll folks.


Where ?

All I can see is some pretty average kit whch is not a complete outfit


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Postby Rod Walker » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:39 pm

Nigel wrote:Where ?

All I can see is some pretty average kit whch is not a complete outfit


A Troll with a severe case of Jouster Envy.

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Postby Nigel » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:04 pm

number 1 everybody knwo who Iam so Iam nto a troll

Number 2 envious of you for what From what I ahve hear youa re pretty average jsut like your kit

I knwow a lot of jousters and am proud to call some of them my friends and thyw jhave immacualte kit

As for my own kit Iam secure enought o know it represents exactly what it is meant to and I dont need to dipaly it

And youre pretty brave all that way away


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Postby Rod Walker » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:15 pm

Nigel wrote:number 1 everybody knwo who Iam so Iam nto a troll

Number 2 envious of you for what From what I ahve hear youa re pretty average jsut like your kit

I knwow a lot of jousters and am proud to call some of them my friends and thyw jhave immacualte kit

As for my own kit Iam secure enought o know it represents exactly what it is meant to and I dont need to dipaly it

And youre pretty brave all that way away


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Postby Jason » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:57 am

Rod, Thanks for the info on lances. Have fun!



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Postby Medicus Matt » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:05 am

I like the 'jester boot' fringes at the top of the chause.


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Postby Simon_Diment » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:34 pm

Medicus Matt wrote:I like the 'jester boot' fringes at the top of the chause.


Wrong spurs too :twisted:

Otherwise looks great as far as MOPs will be concerned, it's only us pendantic old buggers that'll pick holes :roll:


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Postby Jim Smith » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:06 pm

Precisely. It's for exactly this reason that I wouldn't go see a historical film with re-enactors.


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Postby Simon_Diment » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:17 pm

Jim Smith wrote:Precisely. It's for exactly this reason that I wouldn't go see a historical film with re-enactors.


Yep, agree completely.

Same reason I wouldn't post piccies on here of my kit unless it was completely on spec, without expecting and being able to accept any negative comments on the iffy bits :D

Mine isn't as good as it could be but is being overhauled yet again at the moment, with more evidence being made available continuously I doubt I'll ever be happy with it though :roll:


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Postby Rod Walker » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:08 pm

Gentlemen, kit will never be perfect and constructive remarks on what needs doing is always appreciated.

Trollboy came straight in being a rather unpleasant chap. I've seen him do it on other threads and had the pleasure of his trolling when I asked for if anyone had patterns for sale for Napoleonic kit.

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