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- Brother Ranulf
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The Templars had a wide range of "ranks" although they didn't think of them in those terms:
Brother knights were just as the name implies
Serjantz (often spelled sergeants today, but this is a misleading term) were a range of servants, some of whom served as lower-grade troops, others simply as admin staff and labourers
Turcopoles were lightly-equipped mercenary troops recruited in Outremer
Squires were effectively trainee knights; some may have served as serjantz, others were attached to the knights as personal assistants both on and off the battlefield.
Add in priests and temporary brother knights serving for a fixed term and probably several other types.
Interestingly, in the early days of the Hospitallers, there were no serjantz - all applicants (whatever their social status) were all treated as equals. This equates exactly with the non-military monastic Orders, where it mattered not one bit what your social background happened to be.
Brother knights were just as the name implies
Serjantz (often spelled sergeants today, but this is a misleading term) were a range of servants, some of whom served as lower-grade troops, others simply as admin staff and labourers
Turcopoles were lightly-equipped mercenary troops recruited in Outremer
Squires were effectively trainee knights; some may have served as serjantz, others were attached to the knights as personal assistants both on and off the battlefield.
Add in priests and temporary brother knights serving for a fixed term and probably several other types.
Interestingly, in the early days of the Hospitallers, there were no serjantz - all applicants (whatever their social status) were all treated as equals. This equates exactly with the non-military monastic Orders, where it mattered not one bit what your social background happened to be.
Brother Ranulf
"Patres nostri et nos hanc insulam in brevi edomuimus in brevi nostris subdidimus legibus, nostris obsequiis mancipavimus" - Walter Espec 1138
"Patres nostri et nos hanc insulam in brevi edomuimus in brevi nostris subdidimus legibus, nostris obsequiis mancipavimus" - Walter Espec 1138
- Brother Ranulf
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Both military serjantz and turcopoles are among the least understood troop types during the Crusades era; most people think that turcopoles were light cavalry (which doesn't prevent them being archers, since horse archers were a feature of armies in the Middle East). They would have been Christians, or at least nominally so, but could have been from a wide range of ethnic backgrounds. They would wear their native dress and equipment, so many may have looked very similar to the enemy - their banners would be the distinguishing mark.
Military serjantz are something of an enigma. The rule specifies the colour they should wear, but not much else. They may have been cavalry forming a second rank behind the knights; or they may have been infantry spearmen and crossbowmen; or a combination of these. Until better evidence can be found, it's really a matter of speculation.
Serjantz were members of the Order, while mercenary tucopoles were not - more like "attached troops".
Military serjantz are something of an enigma. The rule specifies the colour they should wear, but not much else. They may have been cavalry forming a second rank behind the knights; or they may have been infantry spearmen and crossbowmen; or a combination of these. Until better evidence can be found, it's really a matter of speculation.
Serjantz were members of the Order, while mercenary tucopoles were not - more like "attached troops".
Brother Ranulf
"Patres nostri et nos hanc insulam in brevi edomuimus in brevi nostris subdidimus legibus, nostris obsequiis mancipavimus" - Walter Espec 1138
"Patres nostri et nos hanc insulam in brevi edomuimus in brevi nostris subdidimus legibus, nostris obsequiis mancipavimus" - Walter Espec 1138
Turcopoles were the Latin Syrian mercenaries employed by the Order. These were light mounted troops used as auxiliaries and scouts and were known for their use of the composite bow and their skill at Saracen fighting techniquesAlan_F wrote:
Were Turcopoles specifically people from Outremer or were they people who (for example) lived there or recruited there?
I'm sure I have read somewhere that the Templar squire was not the typical idea of a knight in training and they were more akin to servants. The knights were drawn from the existing secular class whilst the Serjents were from the secualr bourgouisie (spelling?).
- Sygtrygg Athlunkard
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Hi
I am one of a large group who got together at Hastings on Saturday night with a definate plan to start a 2/3rd Crusade group.
We are working on a kit guide, insurance, bank account etc etc - all the boring stuff.
We have contacts with EH, NT and dear old Howard, and a promise of one gig next spring already.
The group is planning to have scope for members of the militant orders as well as secular knights and their footsoldiers who will be armed with spear, sword and crossbow.
If anyone is really interested can I suggest you either pop along to the Yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DeusVult/?yguid=232818091
or drop me a PM.
I am one of a large group who got together at Hastings on Saturday night with a definate plan to start a 2/3rd Crusade group.
We are working on a kit guide, insurance, bank account etc etc - all the boring stuff.
We have contacts with EH, NT and dear old Howard, and a promise of one gig next spring already.
The group is planning to have scope for members of the militant orders as well as secular knights and their footsoldiers who will be armed with spear, sword and crossbow.
If anyone is really interested can I suggest you either pop along to the Yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DeusVult/?yguid=232818091
or drop me a PM.
Guthroth of Colanhomm
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And to go off topic a bit here:
The Templars were not present at the battle of Bannockburn, they were not some surprise force that came over the hill in the dying stages of the battle and they have no connection to Rosslyn Chapel. Whilst there 100's of books out there claiming all of this, it should be noted that the chroniclers of the time didn't see it happening, which speaks more about those claiming otherwise than can be said here. The only connection I can find to between the Templars and the Scottish Wars of Independence is a Templar knight fighting for Edward I at Falkirk. The only link between Scotland, Freemasonry and the Templars is in the minds of the writers of Holy Blood and Holy Grail, a book that has been rubbished more times than I can count.
Sorry to those who already knew this, just one I had to bring up.
The Templars were not present at the battle of Bannockburn, they were not some surprise force that came over the hill in the dying stages of the battle and they have no connection to Rosslyn Chapel. Whilst there 100's of books out there claiming all of this, it should be noted that the chroniclers of the time didn't see it happening, which speaks more about those claiming otherwise than can be said here. The only connection I can find to between the Templars and the Scottish Wars of Independence is a Templar knight fighting for Edward I at Falkirk. The only link between Scotland, Freemasonry and the Templars is in the minds of the writers of Holy Blood and Holy Grail, a book that has been rubbished more times than I can count.
Sorry to those who already knew this, just one I had to bring up.
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