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now this may seem like a silly question, but does any one no of any?
we no the victorians had porn and the nepolionics had interesting print, what about the rest of history, and specificly medi?
i portray a medieveil merc, and on those cold loanly nights when i cant find someone to warm my bed am i limited to my imagination? did mention it to the women who does the wood prints but i woundered if there was anyone out there making any?
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Well according to the good people of Milano and florence it was the capture of the French Kings stache of hard core porno action that stoped the venetians dead in their tracks and prevented the Italians from whopping Charlees ass at Fornovo. So, I'd say yes. And lots of the paintings of "rediscovered" pagan myths in the 15th century also seem to be an excuse to get some tits and and bits on display.
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There was a series on Channel 4 a few years back that traced the history of porn... one thing that stuck in my mind was the Medieval prayer book with pornographic drawings in the margins. Unfortunately can't remember the exact period or if it was actually genuine.
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exactly, these are the sort of thing that any looting soldier will steal!
its not nice but it is true
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im sure there is one church or cathedral in france that is medieval and has images of bare bottoms and other genitalia. this was also featured in the history of porn series on c4 and uktv history.

theres always the phallic symbols on pewter badges. i think this type of thing was more for good luck and warding off evil spirits??? but not 100 percent sure on that.

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falic objects always seem to ce floating round, and its not like im going to use it( i have modern stuff for that) but penisis and mans bottoms dont do a lot for me, do we have any budding medievil style artists out there who would be willing to try there hand? i can just imagine marting asking if you want anything from the back of his shop, could change it to martins `jerk and meat`.
weres theres soldiers theres porn.

now if i can just scratch onto someones armour 'nix was ere 1472'
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nix wrote: willing to try there hand?


Nah, that's what the wife's for.
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Handbag wrote:im sure there is one church or cathedral in france that is medieval and has images of bare bottoms and other genitalia. this was also featured in the history of porn series on c4 and uktv history.



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Nice thread Nix.

I too, have asked for this in the past and was met with few answers.

I have heard of the Charles the Bonkers' baggage train incident, but need to see the nature of the items, with a view to reproduction.

However, images of nudity do occur, you get bath house/stews images, pics of witches stealing men's cocks, the odd salacious joke with brids shagging (on seal matrices), but porn as we know it I would love to see.
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but porn as we know it I would love to see


yeah, I bet you would :wink:
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This is not exactly porn to carry round with you, but thought it might make interesting reading for some of you. This is a quote from a book entitled 'Burt's Letters from the North of Scotland' first published in 1754. We reckon it's the first recorded incident of 'dogging'!
'There are some rugged hills about the skirts of that city, (Inverness), which by their hollows and windings, may serve as screens from incurious eyes; but there are sets of fellows who make it part of their business, when they see two persons of different sexes walk out to take the air, to dog them about from place to place, and observe their motions, while they themselves are concealed.'
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You need to get hold of a really interesting book called the Secret Middle Ages by Malcolm Jones isbn 0-7509-3874-9

Book deals with popular and folk art involving "love, hatred, crime and punishment, proverbs, heaven on earth, husband-beating - all feature in the jewellery, tableware, illustrations, carvings and textiles of the period"

It deals with popular culture between 1200 and 1500

There is a whole chapter on sex and sexuality and lots of other artefacts from the period that may be considered risque to our tender sensibilities....

A very fascinating book. The sexuality side is only part of an interesting study in popular culture. It's not a book you find in every history section although I did find my copy in Waterstones in Edinburgh purely by chance

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Yes good book, lots of lurid stuff, also the Medieval Underworld, which does similar things but in more depth.
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You could also try and get hold of a copy of Reay Tannahill's 'Sex in History'. It may be that pornography as we would understand it wasn't a prominent feature in medieval life and medieval soldiers would not have access to the equivalent of a stash of porno mags. Would also depend on when in the muddyevil you were looking at - pre-print production of any literature of this sort would have been beyond the price range of the average person (although they could have made their own sketches of foxes bottoms!)
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It's not medieval, but I saw some interesting old porn. My Dad was involved in industrial archiology, exploring and documenting old mine workings in the lake district.

They explored one old mine that had been abandoned in victorian times (possibly earlier, I forget as I was a kid when I went down there) , and which had not aparently been entered since (i think the enterance had been flooded and then more recently drained)

There were still footprints in the mud, some only about 6" long, and abandoned personal belongings such as clay pipes set on ledged and forgotten. there was also graphitti on the walls in some areas, scratched into the reddish haemotite deposits. this included quite detailed drawings of naked ladies. the thing is they must have been drawn by young, unmarried men, because they obviously thought that posh women had 'bustle shaped' bottoms.

It was quite a strange feeling to be there where men and boys had eaten their packed lunch, had a smoke, and drawn naughty pictures, a century ago or more.
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again not a reference to medieval although may have some connection to the previous posting about Milan and Florence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_art_in_Pompeii

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nix wrote:weres theres soldiers theres porn.


:shock:
What! Hard working ladies of the night not good enough for you??
Alot easier to come by as every army on the move would have a baggage train with woman of a certain talent in tow. Also a hell of a lot cheaper than a manuscript illustrated by hand, by some monk!
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I am not convinced that there was porn as we understand it in our prudish 21 C way.

Certianally there are plenty of items that show nudity - like the above bathing scenes or have male members promenantly displayed - such as various pewter badges. There was a fair amount of bawdy humour and 'toilet' jokes - maybe porn was more verbal and based on imagination of.

Given the cost of books / litrature / employing a monk to copy etc. I suspect that any porn will have been very transitory stuff.. like the drawings down the mine - and unless we are very lucky such stuff is unlikely to survive from the depths of the 14th / 15 C

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Thinking about this logically, the porn stash of Charles the six millionth or whatever he was is rumoured to be a "phone book" of the best pro's in Italy in their favourite positions rather than Medieval Men Only.
Given that for most people privacy was a blanket thrown across them or pulled across the bed posts, that newly married couples were expected to put on a good show on their wedding night and that mos people knew wthe mechanics of the operation because they were surrounde by rutting animlas all their lives, there just may not have been a need for it. Perhaps, as in those South American tribes today, where nudity is the norm, it would be a picture of a well shorn foot that flicked yer switch, so to speak.
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There is an exhibition on in London at the moment, although I forget which museum, covering the history of....

I'd google for it, but at work that may not be wise....

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But surely I am not the only one who will admit to going into the Adults only section of a trader's tent at this year's Rood Fayre! The gentleman had several beautiful wooden carved items and the textual evidence to justify their production. He also had a great knowledge of very rude road and village names, most of which would shock the modern delicate sensibilities..............Made an old married woman blush it did (so she said)
In the pictures listed by another earlier, I have to say I am impressed that no matter what else was going on, they kept their very tall felt hats on. Be aware folks, tall felt hats were really that important! :wink:
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very rude road and village names


The best of which may be the original name of Union Street in the genteel city of Wells - this is first recorded in the middle ages as 'Gropecuntelane' :shock:
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There are a couple of harnesses that have rude images and obscene guestures/comments engraved upon them- mainly Germanic and first quarter C16th though.
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I can think of one French (correction German 1470s) MSS with a bloke touching a woman's wotsit. Bathouse picture. Alos man touching woman's booby.
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Japanese SHUNGA porn of the samurai...
a web search will reveal much more information...
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[quote="Handbag"]im sure there is one church or cathedral in france that is medieval and has images of bare bottoms and other genitalia. this was also featured in the history of porn series on c4 and uktv history.

theres always the phallic symbols on pewter badges. i think this type of thing was more for good luck and warding off evil spirits??? but not 100 percent sure on that.[/quote]

Lincoln Cathedral has images of procreation (fertility rites) carved in stone on the pillars situated on the west gate entrance, on the inside walls there are carvings allegedly made by choir boys of the bishop being indulged in fellatio amongst other sexual acts and perversions dating from 1180ce, these images are still viewable.

There is belief that the church commissioned stone masons to incorporate such works to the pillars to help integrate and convert the earlier established Druids and followers who used the site where the cathedral sits for their own religious rites.

In much the same way as many of the Druid sites were over taken by the church these being where ever there are Yew trees, most Cemeteries/graveyards have yew trees and were primarily established Druid haunts.

I’m sure there will be discussions about this, there is no available written proof as we all know the church are not going to give up this information and the Druids did/do not keep records.

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But surely I am not the only one who will admit to going into the Adults only section of a trader's tent at this year's Rood Fayre! The gentleman had several beautiful wooden carved items and the textual evidence to justify their production. He also had a great knowledge of very rude road and village names, most of which would shock the modern delicate sensibilities..............Made an old married woman blush it did (so she said)


Does anyone have a contact email/phone number for this trader? Could be very useful for the Whore's Fart seedy trading establishment..... :wink:
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Post by behanner »

I think the question of pornography vs erotic art and just bawdy images is a very valid one. And I wonder if the question doesn't look back from our point of view too much.

It didn't used to be where there are soldiers there is porn, it used to be where there are soldiers their are prostitutes or atleast women willing to fullfill that roll. Generally late medieval society followed Augustine and Aquinas in the prostitute as the sewer of society mentality so if you are a soldier who really needs something sexual a prostitute is just as if not more likely then any image. And sex is generally more effective then masturbation for sexual relief.

If someone really wanted to look into this subject the place to start would be penitentials or works on penitence and confession. If there is a concept of late medieval pornography as we understand it is most likely to be found there. Most specifically for the 15th century would be Jean Gerson who unlike many penitential writers of the later Middle Ages believed it was extremely important to inquire into the sexual lives of those confessing to you even if you gave them new ideas.

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Post by Vermin »

The BBc Four Medieval Season has a programme on sex - be interesting to see their take on it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/listings/p ... ce_id=4544

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