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Bowed psaltery

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:03 pm
by Type16
Hi, advice please.

Our daughter is after a stringed instrument for use at 13-16 cent events. She is quite good with the violin, but has had to give it up because of muscular problems ----- made worse by bowing under the chin.

We had considered a Rebec, but she recons the same problems would ensue (unless you can advise a different playing method ??)

Now considering a bowed psaltery, as she can bow this 'in front' of her.

By the way, she is coming up to 13 yrs of age.

Advice and ideas greatly appreciated.

Is there another stringed instrument we have not considered ?

Cheers, Andy.

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:07 pm
by Annis
I'm no expert, but i think Rebecs can be played whilest resting it on the hip, or stood upright on the lap.

Annis x

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:22 pm
by busy mole
Hi Type 16, a bowed psaltery wasn't invented till about 1860! Or at least there is some debate about this. The rebec can be bowed on the hip or upright, but this might still create problems with the non bowing hand reaching round to press the strings.
What about a plucked psaltery or small harp? Quite easy to play and inexpensive and authentic.

We're at the NLHF this weekend if you want to have a look and try.

Steve and Helen.

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:30 pm
by Tamsin Lewis
I hold the rebec against my chest to play it - very different from playing under the chin.

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:38 pm
by Type16
Thankyou all for your ideas. Have binned the bowed psaltery idea. :D

Looks like it is going to be a plain psaltery then, or a small harp. But have not ruled out the idea of a small rebec.

Busy Mole........can't get to the fair this weekend, but will have a talk with you early next season.

In the meantime, some more research on my part.

Cheers, Andy

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:29 am
by Tamsin Lewis
How about a lute? They're not too hard to play and don't put stress on anything that I can think of

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:59 pm
by Annis
mayhap the brain...

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:05 pm
by Type16
Thanks Tamsin.
I will run the Lute idea by her, though she now wants 2 instruments -- psaltery & harp :shock:

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:09 pm
by Annis
Dont worry, I want to learn how to play about 10 instruments... :lol:

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:02 pm
by Tamsin Lewis
Nothing wrong with playing lots of instruments...I play viols, lute, harp, rebec, vielle, symphony, psaltery, harp, violin, vilhuela, renaissance guitar, harpsichord & recorders

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:34 pm
by Annis
Well, i want to learn how to play the piano properly and also:
lute
electric guitar
acoustic guitar
hammered dulcimer
hurdy gurdy
drum
violin
flute

and probably many more...i can only play the recorder, but only simple basic tunes that go no higher than an E (a high E that is)

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:04 am
by Sir Fletcher Phelps
Annis wrote:Well, i want to learn how to play the piano properly and also:
lute
electric guitar
acoustic guitar
hammered dulcimer
hurdy gurdy
drum
violin
flute

and probably many more...i can only play the recorder, but only simple basic tunes that go no higher than an E (a high E that is)


If you want to learn guitar I would advise an electric first - so much easier to play as the string tension is far lower, the neck smaller and the action (height of string over fretboard) lower. I've lost count of the number of kids who express an interest in playing so parents get them a cheap (and usually nasty!) steel strung acoustic which are difficult to play...kid gives up and parent bemoans lack of application of child. You can pick up a fairly decent second hand electric for about £100 (Yamaha Pacifica, Squire Strat / Tele, etc) and they're really easy to learn on....and look cool as well!

Good luck with any and all instruments you take up

Fletch

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:21 am
by Skevmeister
I want to go back to learning the Bass guitar, used to play a bit and really enjoyed it I am not really smart enough to remember complex stuff so a bass suited me, just to smart to be a drummer :D :shock: :evil:

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:04 pm
by Annis
i dont think my parents would want me to take up all those insturments, especially guitar. anyway, i cant afford such things!

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:52 pm
by Sal
Skevmeister wrote:I want to go back to learning the Bass guitar


You don't want to buy one do you? I've still got one at Mum's house that she keeps telling me to get rid of....

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:11 pm
by Skevmeister
Sal wrote:
Skevmeister wrote:I want to go back to learning the Bass guitar


You don't want to buy one do you? I've still got one at Mum's house that she keeps telling me to get rid of....


Sal

I would love to but :..........................
EXACTLY WHEN would I get time to practice :D :shock: :D, would that be in the closed season, when I have absolutely nothing to do :lol: :shock: :lol:

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:41 pm
by Handbag
i bought my first rebec a year ago now and found the transition from violin to rebec quite taxing but got it after persistance . i also bought a medieval fiddle ( it has no chin rest) and love it. i now have 2 rebecs the fiddle a pipe and plan to get a plucked psaltery ! and normally sit down to play and have it crooked in my arm. the only difficulty i have with mine is that the neck is a lot fatter than a violin so have to change my finger position a lot to be able to play all the notes. but other than that it is a joy to play and doesnt seem to hurt my back or arms at all.

the psaltery idea would probably suit you daughter better if she is having muscular trouble and busy mole does some lovely pieces -it does depend of what type of sound she is after and what kind of musician she wants to portray at events. is she playing with a band or solo?

if you are going down the rebec route the early music shop were doing a sale on their ems rebecs for about £175 plus p+p

good luck its so good to see the youth of today enthusiastic about medieval music!! (gawd i sound so old! im only 22)

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:57 pm
by Annis
A 17 year-old is currently listening to All Goodly Sports - The Complete Music Of Henry VIII!

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:38 pm
by Handbag
enthusiasm for Tudor music is great too!! infact enthusiasm for all music is great!!!!!!

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:27 pm
by Tamsin Lewis
So what do you think about Sting and Dowland?
At least it should get more people listening to early music...

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:52 pm
by Annis
I love all sorts of music! But I appreciate old music more.

Some of Dowland's work is good, but I havent heard it all.

Can someone tell me who wrote 'flow My Tears'? I have that on a CD i compiled along with hurdy gurdy music and folky stuff and some medieval (but I dont know if it is medieval)

Annis x

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:41 pm
by Tamsin Lewis
Dowland wrote 'Flow my tears' (2nd book of Ayres, 1600)

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:45 pm
by Annis
Ah, thought so.

We really should stop changing the subject of the topic....oh well, it IS interesting!

A x

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:13 pm
by busy mole
Mmm, Sting and Dowland! It had a good review in Gramaphone or the BBC Music mag, can't remember which. They said you either love it or hate it, but you can see that he really loves the music and it's interesting as he also reads some of Dowland's letters. I think they said that his untrained voice gave it a freshness, the bel canto style of singing didn't come in for another 100 years or so.

I'm trying to open a trade account with Deutsche Gramaphon as I'd quite like to stock this one.

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:47 am
by polthepot
I was told by an historian that theres a bowed triangular psaltery to be seen in the stone carving in Spain on the portal of Santiago deCompostella
(if thats how you spell it ) which dates it medieaval.

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:18 pm
by Type16
Google images 7 came across this psaltery

http://www.liuteria-antica.com/medieval ... 01,GGLC:en


Pol............
is this the image?
http://www.audicoelum.mus.br/rei%20davi ... ostela.gif

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:43 pm
by Eric the well read
polthepot wrote:I was told by an historian that theres a bowed triangular psaltery to be seen in the stone carving in Spain on the portal of Santiago deCompostella
(if thats how you spell it ) which dates it medieaval.


This is actually a variant of the plucked psaltery (of which there are sixty known versions) and the strings are laid out in a different manner to the bow psaltery. Sorry

Regards
Eric

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:13 pm
by polthepot
Yep, just got pic of the portal with all the musicians and yes your right psalterys yes , bows no! historian wrong.

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:27 pm
by Handbag
diverting from the topic just a little bit but had to make some noise!

im still in the really long process of moving house but have finaly got my music/sewing room up together and my instruments have been taken out of storage along with my massive cd collection! im so happy !!! horray !

now back to topic.!