Medieval/renaissance dance music, musicians dress and fiddle

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Mina the fiddler
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Medieval/renaissance dance music, musicians dress and fiddle

Postby Mina the fiddler » Thu May 27, 2010 10:47 am

Hi, i'm new here!
I've dabbled a little in reenactement but not very seriously so far. Now,
I'm a fiddler (female :-)) and have recently started playing for a group who do medieval and renaissance dances. I.e. from "estampies" (11th century i believe) as far as french branles from the 16th century.
Now i want to get a historical instrument and make myself a new dress.
Most of the dances they do are actually from the 16th century, on the other hand the dancers dresses mainly are late 15th (don't ask me why) . And again, what i've seen so far in terms of reconstructions of "medieval fiddles" seems to be oriented rather on 13th/14th century instruments, but i don't know enough about this.
i thought that if i make all this effort, i might as well do it properly and get myself an instrument AND dress suitable for the 16th century (also, i just don't like those 1470ies-headdresses :$ ). As for the dress, it should rather give an image of "travelling musician" Not "Noble lady playing", if you know what i mean.
It would be really kind if some of you could help me with the following questions:
- sources/links for pictures of musicians from said period
- help with different types of medieval fiddles - what exactly IS a "renaissance fiddle", which kind of historical fiddle could i use for this music? Pictures and sound samples? Where can i get information? And where could i get one :) ?
- patterns, links, help for costume making for a 16th century dress?
Btw our group is situated in Switzerland, so i'm rather looking for either french or german sources, i guess english would not be so good, but maybe some of you can help anyway with some of the questions :D .
Thank you so much!
Mina



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Re: Medieval/renaissance dance music, musicians dress and fiddle

Postby Tamsin Lewis » Thu May 27, 2010 12:11 pm

Hi Mina
I use a fiddle by Owen Morse Brown and really recommend his instruments. I find fiddles/vielles better than rebecs in general.

Here's a 15thC image
http://emsh.calarts.edu/alumni/bkeresey/memling.jpg


All the best

Tamsin



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Re: Medieval/renaissance dance music, musicians dress and fiddle

Postby Mina the fiddler » Fri May 28, 2010 10:03 am

Hi Tamsin
many thanks for the tip about the instrument maker! I will definitely check it out.
Yes, i'm not so much in favour of a rebec, either.
On the one hand i would really love to have such a vielle. On the other, i'm wondering if i should not get one more in the way of a later period.
Or maybe i could always say i inherited it from a grandfather :D
I guess the wings would cause some problems in making a dress :D



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Re: Medieval/renaissance dance music, musicians dress and fiddle

Postby wulfenganck » Fri May 28, 2010 10:57 am

Hi MIna!

Hans Memling has already been mentioned, there should be a painting by Hieronymus Bosch where a rather detailed fiddle is shown, can't remember where...but I'll keep looking
Karen Larsdatter's website is always worth a look: http://www.larsdatter.com/musicians.htm

Then there is this wonderful databank: http://www.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/realonline/ with a good search function.
Go for material objects, timeline and search for "geige", there you are!
There is an english version of the site if I'm not mistaken, but I think you'll be satisfied with the german one as well!

By the way: Elena, bist Du das?
If not, just forget it...


Regards

Wolfgang



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Re: Medieval/renaissance dance music, musicians dress and fiddle

Postby Tamsin Lewis » Fri May 28, 2010 11:53 am

On the one hand i would really love to have such a vielle. On the other, i'm wondering if i should not get one more in the way of a later period.
Or maybe i could always say i inherited it from a grandfather
I guess the wings would cause some problems in making a dress


I have different instruments for different periods: a renaissance violin for post 1560, and various rebecs and vielles/medieval fiddles for earlier times, some suitable for 15th/early 16thC and one that's a bit earlier.

Wings would look fab!
x



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Re: Medieval/renaissance dance music, musicians dress and fiddle

Postby Mina the fiddler » Mon May 31, 2010 2:51 pm

Hi wulfenganck :D
yes, of course it's me. The one and only Mina, the Fiddler :wink:
Thanks for the info! I hope i finde time to follow all this up.
If you know of a good german-speaking forum where i could ask all that, some info would be welcome (APART from spielleut.de).
Ganz liebe Grüsse!
Mina



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Re: Medieval/renaissance dance music, musicians dress and fiddle

Postby Mina the fiddler » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:05 pm

Hi wulfenganck
i only checked the first link now. Very very cool, thanks.
I now believe i need this hat: http://www.st-max.org/images/woodcuts/u ... pfrau2.jpg :D
Spass beiseite, it's very useful for pictures of musical instruments.




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