Pipeand Tabor Iconography - pics and carvings

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Pipeand Tabor Iconography - pics and carvings

Postby frances » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:20 pm

My latest obession is the pipe and tabor. Well, actually, I've been playing this for about 25 years.

I am researching the history and taking photographs of sculptures, ceramics and other pics for a pipe and tabor website. I have found a few places that do not seem to have been photographed yet. So before I set off around the country I wondered if someone who lived nearby would take the pics for me. Of course you would need to get permission from whoever to do it and also to know whether they agree to the photo being put on the internet, or only used for presentations. In some cases I am already in touch with the person responsible and will pass on details. Sorry, there is no money in this - but I might give you big hug when I next see you in a muddy field somewhere.

1. Tewkesbury
ceiling boss, close-up. I have photograph taken from the floor.

2. Higham Ferrers Church, Northamptonshire
spandrel carved with the figure of a man playing on a pipe and tabor.

3. Ely Cathedral
South side from west, upper row; man with his arms round two monsters with serpents bodies left supporter: centaur in foliage playing pipe and tabor

4. Derby Museum
ceramic p&t player on show

5. Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge
ceramic p&t player, appointment to be made with the curator

6. Montecute House
The Stang Ride, wooden plaque, I think in the dining room, over a door

7. St Oswald church, Compton Abdale, Gloucestershire.
a man playing a pipe or horn is carved over the west window

8. Raunds, Northamptonshire, St Mary’s Church
figures playing pipe and tabor (east) and viol (west),
I’ve seen photographs of the viol player, but noone has taken the pipe and tabor player.

Do you know of any others?


I've also posted on Friends and Gossip, where I expect it will disappear to the second page within a few days.

Thank you
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Re: Pipeand Tabor Iconography - pics and carvings

Postby Tom H » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:06 pm

I play various bagpipes and have been on a similar quest for these instruments in churches etc, though there are several websites to help. Recently though I have been visiting all the medieval churches in my area, Cheshire, to take pics of all the musician carvings. Still 2 churches left for me to get access to, but have found several bagpipers which I don't think have been spotted yet by other researchers, so it's always worth looking even in the local area.

If I go anywhere near the places you mentioned I'll keep a look out, but in the meantime, here is a picture I took of a p&t player from St James' church, Gawsworth, Cheshire, c.1500. Feel free to use if you wish.
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Re: Pipe and Tabor Iconography - pics and carvings

Postby frances » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:33 am

Dear Tom H,

Well thank you so much. This is a new one on me. I've enhanced the pic a little to get better contrast, and added it to the site.

I believe that it is called a 'drummer boy' locally - this is quite normal according to my research. The majority of the sculptures and paintings have not been recognised as pipe and tabor players, and have therefore been ignored. Even in museums I've known them called fife and drum players.

I've a few pipe and tabor with bagpipe pics from medieval manuscripts. Would you like to see them. If you pm me with your email I'll send them to you.



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Re: Pipe and Tabor Iconography - pics and carvings

Postby frances » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:34 am

I've just found another one that needs a decent photograph. This is at Clandon Park, Surrey, a National Trust House and presumably closed over the winter months. Oh well.



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Re: Pipeand Tabor Iconography - pics and carvings

Postby Karen Larsdatter » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:19 am

frances wrote:Do you know of any others?

Sure; check out http://larsdatter.com/musicians.htm and you'll find a few. :D



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Re: Pipeand Tabor Iconography - pics and carvings

Postby frances » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:30 pm

Thank you Karen.

Tell me, what is the position about copyright. I have been chatting to people at museums, but they are only at the information desk and do not know the position of copyright and the internet. If I wished to set up a formal on-line database I presume that I would have to ask permission from each location to put up a pic and information.



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Re: Pipeand Tabor Iconography - pics and carvings

Postby frances » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:35 pm

I've done The Stang Ride. Thanks.

In a few days I'm giving a talk on the pipe and tabor in 18th century decorative art. Don't Laugh - it is fascinating, and it is all original research. (Noone else is interested!!)




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