Gandi wrote:Alan E wrote:Marriage of the Virgin, Master of the Tiburtine Sybil piccy - reminds me of G's miner, I think that's the same type of hose over the shoe !
No Alan, even in the scanning 'wrinkle 2' and clearly on the 'original' i scanned, the hose don't go over the shoe (it's likely that they are a mule type of footware from the picture)
From the scanned image it looked to me as if the heel of the L foot was behind the black shape that is the shoe... obviously you can see the originl better than I can so Nolo Contendre
Gandi wrote:I like the Saville row/provincial tailor analogy re the fit, but disagree with your thoughts on split leg vs joined hose and the skill of the tailor. It's not 'till the C16 that the top of the hose come over the widest point of the hips and therefore need shaping to fit over the *rse. Up till then, the difference between the two is essentially 1 seam and a codpiece, not massively difficult.
I agree that they may have made them looser in the seat (so to speak) but merely for comfort and convenience, not through any inate lack of skill IMO.
That's how mine got joined (the first pair I made, second item of clothing I made ...); not difficult I agree, but leaves out a gusset that is included in a pattern ostensibly derived from a surviving pair (of B.P.? Haven't got the book with me - was Medieval Costume and Fashion by Herbert Norris). Actually I left out a gusset in the side of the foot too, but can get a good fit still by lacing the side ( no evidence for that though). These don't reach the hips but rely on points and have to be left baggy to allow me to sit without splitting them; they have other problems around the join as well which would have been mitigated by including a gusset.