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Postby lidimy » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:04 pm

just a quicky - does cotton linen have to be shrunk before being chopped up into a shift?

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Postby Tamsin Lewis » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:34 pm

I'd always wash it first



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Postby lidimy » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:39 pm

okies, thankee - will i need to buy extra to compensate for any shrinkages?
the TT said to have 3.5m for a smock, will i need extra and how much?

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Postby lidimy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:28 pm

ok, this could be a whole lot more of a problem now... the stupid fabric shop only had 3m left of the cotton linen, not even together but in a 1m bit and a 2m bit! so my question needs re-iterating, but with a lot more squeak in my voice as i am getting panicky!

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Postby Shadowcat » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:00 pm

It depends on the quality of the linen - how loose the weave to a great extent. The finer the linen in my experience, the less the shrinkage. I have not found that linen/cotton mix shrinks much, although I have to say I didn't bother to measure it as I always buy in large quantities - I make professionally. How wide is your fabric? Compare with the width in TT - you might be able to get away with it. If your fabric is wider than they suggest, then you will probably get away with it.

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Postby Eric the well read » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:11 pm

Hi Lidimy,
Any label anywhere saying 'mercerised' ?

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Postby lidimy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:29 pm

nope, its not mercerised. im pretty sure its not. my mum brought 3 swatches home of 3 types of linen, i recall 2 of them being mercerised, but the one of the 3 i chose, the cotton linen, i dont think was.

its roughly 54 inches wide, the TT says it should be 45". does this mean then that it wont need shrinking? i dont want to wash it for the first time then find that it fits my dollies :D :P lol!

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Postby Shadowcat » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:47 pm

No, it will still need shrinking - nothing to do with its current size. Linen will shrink in both length and width, if it chooses to. However, it does mean you have a slightly wider piece to play with, and may be able to set the pattern pieces so as to manage your shift from what you have. Make sure you iron it while it is still damp, otherwise you will have difficulty getting the creases out. And wash it on the hottest wash you can find.

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Postby lidimy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:49 pm

and may be able to set the pattern pieces so as to manage your shift from what you have.


not quite sure what you mean by this!

thanks for the tip, tamsin said that it was best to wash it before doing anything with it too :)

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Postby Shadowcat » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:53 pm

AS long as you keep the pattern pieces on the straight of the material where it shows you on the pattern, you can place them across your piece of fabric if you can make them fit that way better. They do not have to go up and down. Experiment with placing the pattern pieces on the fabric, like a jigsaw, to get the best fit.

You might have to "piece" them, in other words, make a join to make the full length or width. Don't worry, tthis is a "period correct" way of working.

If you make a join, don't forget you need to add seam allowances on the edges you are joining, as well as all round the pieces.

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Postby lidimy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:11 pm

thankoo, that makes a whole lot more sense :)

i still have some other fabric left too that i can use if i am short (the TT said it was ok to use different pieces of material :D)

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Postby Annis » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:12 pm

lidimy wrote: i dont want to wash it for the first time then find that it fits my dollies


You still have dollies?! :D


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Postby lidimy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:24 pm

YES! LEAVE THEM ALONE OR THEY WILL ATTACK YOURS!!

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Postby Annis » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:29 pm

I dont have any!

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Postby lidimy » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:58 pm

yes, anyway, re-measured the material after washing and it hasnt shrunk - at all! very happy, i was getting quite worried :D

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Postby lidimy » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:08 pm

I explained in my e-mail of 8 September that attendance here on a Saturday in March is essential for anyone who wishes to take part in our Re-Creations. If you are unable to attend then for any reason then you will not be considered for selection.

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Postby Sophia » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:22 pm

Lidi,

I will be applying to join the Kentwell crew next year. I have thought long and hard about the Saturday attendance for the open days and decided that G-d is not so mean spirited as to be upset by missing services for one Sabbath. My one rule for the Sabbath which is unbreakable is that I do not ever do something which is every day - shopping for food, or ordinary everyday chores are out, visiting a gallery or do a living history thing is OK.

I would urge you to talk with yuor father about how much this means to you - there must be a way round this.

If you want to talk it over please pm me. We can also talk on the phone if you want.

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Postby lidimy » Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:21 pm

thanks sophia :D

i think i have it kind of sorted out, in as much as that i will have to go to kentwell the long way round (about a year longer, lol) but there's hope. and if not, then i will grit my teeth very hard and do my best to move on.

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Postby lidimy » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:48 pm

bodice update :)

not finished round the front, as you can see, and no lining at all yet, but i was hoping that you would be able to see roughly whats going on at the minute :)

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Postby lidimy » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:49 pm

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Postby Annis » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:04 pm

Looks lovely darling...as I have already told you! :P

Coming along brilliantly!

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Postby lidimy » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:05 pm

thankoo! here's another one, it decided to go walkies but i have found it again...


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Postby MedicKitten » Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:45 am

Lidimy, if you havent actually started MAKING that smock/shirt up yet, i would really strongly advise that you make one out of something DEAD cheap like some horrible poly-cotton blend. Make it up, see how narrow you want the sleeves, how long it is on you, things like that. THEN when that's DONE, you use that as the final pattern for your good one. My first looked an absolute fright. My second *kentwell approved* smock still has wider sleeves than are quite practical. My third the sleeves are slightly too long. ::sighs:: for THIS COMING YEAR I hope that this will be sorted.

OH! someone reassure me! I am a returning participant...from the US. Think he'll forgive me the open days? I came over last year just for the march one... does that give me extra credit? :-p


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Postby lidimy » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:43 am

i hope so, for your sake!
i do have my shift, but i put it on as little as possible cos its a nightmare to put my kirtle over without anyone's help! good point though, it looks as if i will have to try it on with the shift underneath :?

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Postby Annie the Pedlar » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:58 am

Dearest Medikitten I don't like to tell you this..... :( but I will :twisted:

Everytime I have washed my latest, lovely, was perfect, shift IT HAS SHRUNK!!!!!! So where the wrists sat perfectly on my wrists they are now creeping toward my elbows. You would think it would stop shrinking after the 3rd wash - I made the sleeves long on purpose - but I would swear its still shrinking and its in for its 20th wash.



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Postby Tamsin Lewis » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:10 am

OH! someone reassure me! I am a returning participant...from the US. Think he'll forgive me the open days? I came over last year just for the march one... does that give me extra credit? :-p

Really sorry, Dorate - I think you'll still have to do one. From what I've heard they're getting tougher on open day attendance.
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Postby lidimy » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:26 am

tell me about it - but i *think* that bella said that they make exceptions for previously attending over-seas participants. i dont want to get your hopes up if im wrong though, but its worth checking :D

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Postby Annie the Pedlar » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:29 am

Oh Tamsin, I've got someone wanting to be gentry. Can I give her your e addy so she can talk to you?

Or are you too preoccupied at the moment and "vant to be le....ft.... alo....ne"?



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Postby Sophia » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:50 pm

On the incredible shrinking shift issue, I always boil my linen at least once before I cut and make the shift.

For really fine stuff my latest trick has been to buy a very fine quite loose weave linen (think it came from Ali) then double boil it, drying and ironing in between. This fulls it nicely and no sign of shrinkage yet (though time will tell of course.)

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Postby Tamsin Lewis » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:55 pm

Annie, I've pmd you.
Am worryingly laid back - something must be wrong!
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