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Does anyone want to join me in purchase of some bottle green silk velvet at £13.00 a metre? (plus postage)

That is cheap, yes?

If you're interested, can you pm or email me today?
(If I'm being ripped off, let me know, too!)

I have access to 30 metres at the moment, or possibly 42 metres. I need enough for a mans posh gown/cote, but the rest is going spare....

Need to know by the end of Tuesday though

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Are you positive that it is pure silk vlevet? It seems very cheap to me - usual going rate is around £30 a metre.

A lot of suppliers call it "silk" velvet - it being mostly poyester.

having said that if its pure silk - grab all of it.


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Most modern silk velvets are made with a silk ground and rayon pile, but are called silk velvet. If it is real silk velvet, both ground and pile, it's a miracle - buy all you can. If it is a silk rayon mix, it is still a very good price. (£22.50 in Berwick Street London.)

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That does seem cheap for silk Velvet. I used the polyester-type for a coat-of-plates and cuisse, which apparently looks similar to silk velvet. (Is that true? Never seen silk velvet)

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Actually, it may have been the silk/rayon type does that look like proper silk velvet?

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I'm assuming it's silk/rayon, which in John Lewis is £25 a metre.

If it isn't I will send it back as not as described!
As a couple of people have replied I am going to bag all that this chappy has and take a chance. There's no commitment until you've seen it.

The chap is doing clearance for a company that's gone bust, which is why it's cheap.

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Silk velvet is incredibly easy to tell apart from the synthetic stuff (whether it's pure silk, or silk ground with rayon/viscose pile (rayon and viscose are the same thing)).

Once you've handled it there's just no chance you'll mistake on for the other.

It's telling pure silk velvet from the mix that's the problem!!!
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The best way to tell if a fabric is synthetic or not is to drop a small snippet in a jar of bleach. If it dissolves completely then what you have is silk, linen, wool etc. If it is a synthetic or synthetic blend it won't. If what you've got is a synth pile on a silk backing you will be left with little v's of fibre floating around. A friend of mine has allergies to synthetic fabrics so this is a difinithive method for checking that when a label says it's silk, it really is.

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cool, thanks for that. He sent me a swatch and. as you lot suspected, it ain't like any silk velvet I've ever seen. Nice feel, but with a weird back weave which looks really modern, and I'm not sure there's any silk in there at all.

I found some complicated chemical test, involving caustic soda, but I don't have any of that!

I shall try the bleach thing.

Would rayon, which is cellulose, dissolve in bleach?

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Try acetone (nail varnish remover) it will disolve most synthetics (acetate, rayon etc) leaving a sticky residue which will smear.

Nitric acid will disolve most cottons, silks but will leave nylons as a waxy sludge. A hot soldering iron works as well, since synthetics melt rather than charr

Flame on a silk velvet with synthetic backing will char the silk but leave the backing beading up in a spluttering flame

A cloth seller should have a thread mixture label by law for the fabric, either on the roll or with the paperwork. It's ellegal to sell synthetics as a descriptive label rather than by their content. ie. satin as a satin etc .rather than polyester satin, rayon satin, acetate satin.

Chances are its a rayon/nylon backing with a mixed silk(10-25% plus mixed fibres pile) as this seems to be the common level)

Only a couple of companies in France and Italy still make the 100% silk velvet, but be prepared to pay anywhere between £80 to £150 per meter, on usually only 30" wide rolls.

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Well, the bleach test was fab, thankyou!

My piece of control silk has completely dissolved, whilst the bit of velvet has changed colour, but is otherwise much the same as it was.
This means I don't have to honour the ebay purchase, as it is not as described, hurrah!

So, does anyone know a good place to get silk velvet? (as in the stuff that has a silk base and artifical pile, I'm not a millionare!) John Lewis was my best bet and they don't do any colour other than white at this time of year.

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I recently bought the rayon/silk velvet mix in a nice dark green at the Berwick Street Cloth Shop, (£22.50 per metre) but the Cloth House also sells it, also in Berwick Street. Both shops have "jewel colours". It is very soft, and not as stiff as real silk velvet, but it does look reasonable. If you pm me with your address I can send you a sample of what I've got, if you like.

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Post by latheaxe »

We get our cotton velvet in black £2.00 per metre and in blue,deep red £6.00 per metre... :D

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deep red £6.00 per metre...
ouch - that's expensive for cotton

silk velvet, leeds market, 6 quid metre (though you do have to take what the nice chap has - sometimes silk / viscose, sometimes silk)

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Dunelm Velvets - they re very sweet and send large swatches for you - they do cotton and also rayon mix.

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Dunelm Velvets
Do you mean Denholm Velvets in Denholm, nr Bradford??

If so they stopped doing the silk stuff a few years back.

The only places I know that do silk velvet regularly are trade only - sorry.

But have you tried a net search??
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A, but the difference between the french/italian places and James Hare and Betrand, is that they do the pure 100% silk.

The english ones only do the 18% silk/rayon mix on a rayon background. I'm afraid, it might be silly money, but you do get exactly what you pay for.

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A, but the difference between the french/italian places and James Hare and Betrand, is that they do the pure 100% silk.
I know that, and didn't claim anything else.
Still, am sure you weren't being intentionally patronising..... :lol:
I'm afraid, it might be silly money, but you do get exactly what you pay for.
Oh, the fabric I was thinking of is worth every penny, I just don't know that many people who'll want to spend 1500/m - 3500/m GBP on fabric for re-enactment clothing.
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Sorry Tuppence if I was seeming patronising, it wasn't intended.

I was trying to make a point that expensive fabrics are the price for getting as close to authenticity as possible.

In some ways it should reflect the use of materials in costumes, as only a minority would have been able to afford the original fabrics. After all, there was only a few who would have worn them.

It gets back to the Napoleonic problem, at a big event you often end up with two Napoleons, half a dozen marshals and about 12 soldiers, of which six are Imperial Guard.

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