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Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur - useful content

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:12 am
by Joram van Essen
Hello

Does anyone know where I would be able to buy tanned grey squirrel fur suitable for lining a 15th jacket with?

Thanks.

Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:46 pm
by Drachelis
You can buy it from House of De Clifford

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Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:33 am
by Joram van Essen
Perfect, thank you.

Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:12 am
by House of De Clifford
Hi Joram,
we do indeed sell squirel. Can you pm me what the project is and your period/ status etc.. i will have more idea then of how to help you.
Dave.

Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:11 am
by knight1066
Does anyone know where I would be able to buy tanned grey squirrel fur suitable for lining a 15th jacket with?

Did you mean "15th Century jacket".....In which case grey squirrel would be totally wrong as a lining because the Grey Squirrel wasn't introduced into Britain, by the Victorians, until the 19th Century from its native America.

Sorry to be such a killjoy. Red Squirrel would be okay as it is indiginous to Britain.

Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:37 am
by Merlon.
knight1066 wrote:Does anyone know where I would be able to buy tanned grey squirrel fur suitable for lining a 15th jacket with?

Did you mean "15th Century jacket".....In which case grey squirrel would be totally wrong as a lining because the Grey Squirrel wasn't introduced into Britain, by the Victorians, until the 19th Century from its native America.

Sorry to be such a killjoy. Red Squirrel would be okay as it is indiginous to Britain.
But if the squirrel was trapped in winter whilst in its winter coat as was usually the case, then grey and indeed white squirrel skins are available.
Even for England most squirrel was imported from what is now Russia rather than trapped here.

Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:06 am
by House of De Clifford
here we go again...! :crazy
This is not a rant or anything of the sort, but if you want to know whats what about a particular section of research in history, ask those who have done the research, do not rely on what you think may or may not be right. The Bloody victorians have got a lot to answer for as far as medieval history goes !
Squirrel fur was the backbone of the English fur trade right up to the early 14th Century. Without it , the SKinners guild would have been set back by about 200 years in England ! As it was, we were about 100 years behind the rest of Europe in style and fashion anyway (so far as fur goes).
Red squirrel was indeed used but it was rarely the native squirrel as the quality of fur was not great. (lack of cold climate compared to the Northern Russian and Scandinavian states). Winter pelts being preffered, due to the heavy dense fur compared to summer pelts, they were imported into England from the city of Novgorod through Germany to England. Winter red squirrel from these areas commonly turns grey in winter with the belly and throat contrasting in a pure white. It was not uncommon for some squirrels to turn almost black in winter coat, hence the German term 'blackwerk' for dark and 'gris' for grey pelts. If you saw red squirrel being used, it was not an inferior fur but was always second best to the winter grey squirrel fur. Therefore, grey is perfectly acceptable for use but observation as to how and who must be correct.
Regarding the use of squirrel, time period, status and location are essential key factors when deciding to use any fur on a historical garment, as is the colour and cut / pattern of the fur.
If anyone is committed to using real fur for their historical portrayal, please do not hesitate to contact de Cliffords for help, we do our best, and whilst it is not allways possible to help everyone, we have huge resources at our disposal in order to help you get it right.
Dave.

Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:27 am
by lucy the tudor
Fascinating Dave, thanks. 8-)

Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 11:30 am
by Joram van Essen
Hello

Thanks for the reply Dave, I have sent you an email to your info@... address from your website. Sorry my original post was not as detailed as it could have been. Anyway, yes 15th century Burgundian silk velvet jacket, for a high class portrayal, and yes I have a Burgundian court account reference to Baltic (grey coloured) squirrel fur being appropriate for trimming the jacket with.

Cheers
Joram

Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 11:47 am
by House of De Clifford
Well done Joram, you have obviously done some homework. :thumbup: I have your email and am looking into what we can do to help you. The subject of fur in the middle ages is a real passion for both myself and Miranda, so much so that my 3rd year thesis will be based upon the fur trade of the late middle ages. I hope that it will eventually culminate in a useful and informative book that we plan to produce in the future regarding fur.
Dave.

Re: Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur - useful content

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:50 pm
by Elenna DeVargr
Thank you for that valuable piece of information Dave. I've mentioned the grey/red squirrel from Russia to some but they've looked at me as though I'm sadly lacking brain cells and usually replied 'No, no, no, they didn't have grey squirrels until after America was discovered and they are tree rats anyway.'

Now I can say 'told you so'. :D

Re: WTB Tanned Grey Squirrel Fur

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:21 am
by Sophia
House of De Clifford wrote:Well done Joram, you have obviously done some homework. :thumbup: I have your email and am looking into what we can do to help you. The subject of fur in the middle ages is a real passion for both myself and Miranda, so much so that my 3rd year thesis will be based upon the fur trade of the late middle ages. I hope that it will eventually culminate in a useful and informative book that we plan to produce in the future regarding fur.
Dave.
Great to hear that you intend to make a formal us of all the wonderful information you have researched. Wishing you much success with this. :D