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Highlander - the movie

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Saw this for the first time on DVD, having read some positive reviews. Was very disappointed.

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I think it depends what you want from it. Like most films there are many ways you can watch it. Havent seen it in years though, wonder how badly it has dated?

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It is an old film but it was great for it's time and even lasted a good few years as one of the best films around. More for it's soundtrack and Mr connery poncing about.

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Large swathes of it appeared to be blatant Scottish Tourist Board advertising to the American market. The Boy meets Girl & Epic Struggle of Good & Bad are standard plot lines and need something in the way of character development to capture interest. The Kurgan baddie was poor by pantomime standards. I'm all for willing suspension of disbelief but when a sword chips a brieze block in C20th but demolshes half a castle in C16th, credulity is stretched to breaking point.

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Not the film to watch if you want realism, it is about immortals battling it out for some supernatural power that they would put to some use for the better or worse of mankind.

Kind of like critisising lord of the rings for lack of real life issues.

Remember it is a very old film, released in a day of very poor films of same genre, it rose above the rest but today is very old and lacks a lot.

Anyway, i still like it and the quotes still ring around camp now and again.

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Louisa Gidney wrote:Large swathes of it appeared to be blatant Scottish Tourist Board advertising to the American market
Well it is called Highlander so you would expect Scotland to feature somewhere in it :D

It does feature James Cosmo who has similar Halfords form as Wallace's uncle in Braveheart
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I am a massive fan of this film so am very biased, I was introduced to at the age of 7 by an uncle who had a 6' tall french poster of Ramirez on his walland I wanted to know more so had him describe the whole thing to me cos I couldn't get into the cinema to see a 15 rated film. many yeras later he got it for me when it came out on VHS for the first time and it has been on of my great influences.

Watching Chris Lambert use the same sword move every time to save the world, watching the wires at the end that are badly covered by "Quickening", bad (but very quotable)dialogue just make it all the more charming to me and made me seek out the nearest fencing school, just like countless hundreds of others (being taught by the previous generation who had been inspired by "Scaramouche") who turned up in long coats, bandanas and seeking Kurgan inspired feats of wanton glory on the piste. Today I study, learn and teach historic swordplay as a direct result of seeing that poster.

I nearly sh*t myself when I met Jim Cosmo doing filmwork for the BBC cos he was in Highlander- sad but true.

When I went to NY I spent the whole time looking for places from the movie and had great glee recreating points of the film. I even watch the TV series when possible- which really is dross, yet refuse to watch the second film and advise anyone else to do the same.

It's a film of its generation though, much like "Robin of Sherwood" TV series or "Flesh and Blood", watch them now for the first time and they are cheesy, unoriginal and weak on all sorts of levels but they caught the imaginations of people watching them 20 years ago and contributed to many people joining into reenactment , myself and many I know included, and hold a place for us still.
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Just to recall though, i wish no one ever would but what about the sequel. look at the original in a new light after that pile of....well you get the idea.

Looking back there are films that have almost mythical importance today in their genres. such gems as Friday the 13th which lacked almost everything bar a group of entertaining slayings, The Hitcher which had so little character developement that by the end you can barely recall anyones name and yetit holds as the classical interpretation of a psycho.

To list a good few old films i'd say
American werewolf in london
Salute to/of the Jugger
Cyborg
Lost boys
Childs play
Goonies
Evil dead
explorers
are good examples of dated but great

not to mention the ninja/samurai/android/alien/demon/vampire/zombie genres that had hideous examples of film making but also a few gems that had real potential.

plus the unbelievable amount of scary films that simply defied logic.

I agree these days we ask a lot from our films and so we should. But i miss mindless violence, scares and films where not everything is scrutinised for continuity.

Highlander is on a pedestal when put in it's year of release peers.

My only exception is probably the fratboy films of american pieroad trip etc. which trully haven't changed since the days of animal house and ferris bueller. except maybe music, but again music dates well in rare cases and the rest sounds awful though we love it at the time.

Wow, another long winded ranty about nothing important. someone should just shut me up. :lol:

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I'm also a devoted Rutger Hauer fan so I was disheartened this week to hear that The Hitcher is being remade with Sean Bean as the Hitcher- sacrilege!

Basically Highlander was different- it was fantasy but without furry pants and chainmail bikinis. In theory anyone around you could be an Immortal, they carried swords and had cool coats and it was all fantasy but happening "now"- nothing else was like that at the time, other than straight horror (Poltergeist), as it was all pseudo-medieval (Conan), sci-fi (The Terminator) or futuristic (Aliens) and that added to the credibility of it.

If you suspend the belief of a Frenchman playing a Scotsman and a Scotsman playing an Egyptian turned Spaniard, having spent time in Japan, then complaining about weak/linear plotting is not going to a problem!

What really annoys me is that the 20th anniversary convention was in Leeds Armouries this year and I only found out about the week after :(
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Phil the Grips wrote:
If you suspend the belief of a Frenchman playing a Scotsman and a Scotsman playing an Egyptian turned Spaniard, having spent time in Japan, then complaining about weak/linear plotting is not going to a problem!
That always baffled me. The C16th scenes are set entirely in Scotland and Connery speaks with a strong Scottish accent but isn't meant to be Scottish :roll: :?

Hearing him ask what haggis is like he doesn't know is hilarious :lol:

He doees a similar trick in The Untouchables as an Irish cop with a Scottish accent :lol:

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If you suspend the belief of a Frenchman playing a Scotsman and a Scotsman playing an Egyptian turned Spaniard, having spent time in Japan, then complaining about weak/linear plotting is not going to a problem!
That always baffled me. The C16th scenes are set entirely in Scotland and Connery speaks with a strong Scottish accent but isn't meant to be Scottish :roll: :?

Hearing him ask what haggis is like he doesn't know is hilarious :lol:

He doees a similar trick in The Untouchables as an Irish cop with a Scottish accent :lol:
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Phil the Grips wrote:
If you suspend the belief of a Frenchman playing a Scotsman and a Scotsman playing an Egyptian turned Spaniard, having spent time in Japan, then complaining about weak/linear plotting is not going to a problem!
That always baffled me. The C16th scenes are set entirely in Scotland and Connery speaks with a strong Scottish accent but isn't meant to be Scottish :roll: :?

Hearing him ask what haggis is like he doesn't know is hilarious :lol:

He doees a similar trick in The Untouchables as an Irish cop with a Scottish accent :lol:
He does it in every film he's in, thats the attraction. :wink:
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He does it in every film he's in, thats the attraction. :wink:
You'd think he'd play the occassional Scottish character though :roll:

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Well he half mananged a Russian in the Hunt for Red October but could not be bothered after a bit and went back to classic Connery.
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But his Scottish King Rich in Robin Hood fits right in with American Robin and Will Scarlett

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Highlander-the Sequels (there should be only one.)
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Highlander III is crap but does at least make sense as a sequel to the first film.

Highlander II changes the whole backstory of the characters without so much as a by your leave :roll:
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I love the film. It was made to be just a little surreal, a little out there and give you the impression of believability. Just like others have said a least there wasn't chain-mail bikini's (i wouldn't have complained though :wink: but it had a pretty good storyline to it.
The thinkg that 'baffled' me was katana-space - the ability to run jump roll etc and then draw a katana from your coat undamaged (you or the coat) and regardless on size of coat!!
but i liked it - Lambert even had a voice coach to get his voice closer to no accent to give impression he'd travelled... a lot!
But with Connery he did use some scottish words but didn't really detract from film. Your meant to lose yourself in the film otherwise it would have been a documentary lol
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Highlander 4 contradicted the other films - but was really good and slightly different from other films (other than there being loads more immortals appearing from nowhere!)

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Highlander four tends to be an end to the series which in itself turned out good though well away from the film that inspired it. If you watch the series(s) then endgame it'd probably be a good collection.

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"Highlander V- The Source" is out soon providing an answer to all the questions that are out there- why are all Immortals foundlings, katana space , where they come from and all that, why they are compelled to fight, what is The Prize, though it follows the TV series logic not the Film logic.

They are "officially" different storylines- one simply inspired by the other-4 and 5 are TV movies of the series, not sequels to the films.

I'll be tracking it down if only out of curiosity.
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Phil the Grips wrote:When I went to NY I spent the whole time looking for places from the movie and had great glee recreating points of the film.
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i only ever watched the first and loved it i been warnde not to watch the rest except End Game. I adore the idear and was going to use it in a English presintathion once on Imortality i love the fact the only acthula scotish person in the film plays and Egypthion who is from spain on the subject of shaun a guy in my Clasicive clas decided to test out how athenans hels coins in thair mouth buy puting a ten p in and then talking we now know shauns secret to his sexy voice.

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to para phrase some one else its 'sword porn' mindless swinging of swords and damn the script. more of this example are flesh and blood, ladyhawke, camelot, first knight, joan of arc(any of them).

however they are all examples of 80's 90's film work and should only be viewed as such so comparisons should only be of the era, ie. you would hope people dont mix up a crusaders maile hauberk and a set of voiders for an arming doublett.

currently watchin ladyhawke an loving every scene of it (deffinatley a rutger hauer fan here)

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Phil the Grips wrote:He doees a similar trick in The Untouchables as an Irish cop with a Scottish accent :lol:
He won an oscar for that.

I sat down the other night and watched Highlander again for the first time in years - who cares if its over 20 years old, I loved it when it was released, still love it now and I think the final duel leading to the winning of the Prize is terrific.

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I used to think that there should only have been one, 2 is an excressance and 3 was just poor.

Then I got into the TV series and it helps make the films Endgame and The Source (which ARE NOT numbers 4 and 5!) make much more sense and resolves a lot of the common criticisms and queries from folk.

Its just very difficult to see the series in the UK unless you watch FX channel at 11am every weekday for your fix- something I have been doing :)
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Phil the Grips wrote:I used to think that there should only have been one, 2 is an excressance and 3 was just poor.
I feel I should point out that there is not and never has been a second Highlander film. The fact that there is a third is just bad mathematics on the studio's part.

Anyway, I watched the first one for the 3,533,754,156th time t'other night and it occured to me... Christopher Lambert, the Frenchman who had to learn English for his role in the film, has a more convincing accent than many other Hollywood Scots.
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