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're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:16 pm
by sally
I've been invited to trade at an event this summer but apparently the traders row with be in the plastic campsite and only re-enactors will be able to access is. I haven't come across this arrangement before and wondered if any other traders could advise on whether this tends to work out ok or whether having no public access to the traders tends to lead to poor take and generally disgruntled visitors?

I have no idea at the moment what to expect, or whether this is common practice, but its the first time I've come across it and was a bit surprised.

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:56 pm
by hamster
well you did get an invite to tewky loads of public come there :rock:

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:37 pm
by boblad

What period event is it, 17c by any chance?

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:01 pm
by Miss Costello
Seems iffy to me, surely most traders have something that appeal to the Gen. Public...I know at ILHF I bought from loads of traders when I only do 1845 onwards!

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:42 pm
by sally
boblad wrote:Sally

What period event is it, 17c by any chance?
It is as it happens, is this peculiar to this period of re-enacting then? Any idea why and does it work out ok for all concerned?
I just can't imagine going to an event as a MOP and being told 'sorry, but you can't go and look at the stalls', but I may well be missing some critical bit of thinking. Always happy to be educated as to how different sections of the hobby go about planning these things.

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:03 pm
by The Iron Dwarf
for some events I could open at 7am and close at 9am to reopen at 5pm till late but im not normal :crazy:

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:18 pm
by the real lord duvet
i think the knot have closed trading sites - you must be special to get invited there.

or your stuff is not for public eyes

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:03 pm
by Graham Cooley
As long as I have been a member the SK have always had this arrangement. I'm not certain of the historical background but it has always been the case that traders row has been on the plastic site with no access to the public. There are usually a range of traders ranging from those who provide support services such as camping equipment through to authentic traders of high quality and everything inbetween.

When we started trading we traded at SK events although we have not done so for a few years. Trading is part of the hobby and as a result we deliberately only trade at a small number of events. However, as a result of the above your market is restricted to members only. So at a major muster your customer base will be about 3000 including children. At smaller events this will obviously go down in proportion to the size of event. As a result there are few traders at smaller events but at large major musters there will be a reasonable size traders row of perhaps up to 50 or more traders. (Note the variety of traders so there will be some who only trade at SK events.)

Is it worth while? Based on past experience we covered our costs and made a little to make it worthwhile. We are reenactors first and as a result choose not to trade at these events so that we can enjoy the hobby. If we were traders first we would trade at SK majors probably at least one a year depending on dates.

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Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:06 am
by boblad

As it is the SK then they have advantages and disadvantages.

Fisrtly the pitch fee is very reasonable around £50 for the YEAR, that is as many events that allow traders to attend and that can be quite a lot.
Trading times are not restricted ie open when you get up, trade till just after lunch, close while the battle is on and reopen about 5 till whenever.
You can pack up and go home after the armies have formed up ie 1.30-2.30pm on the last day so geting away early.
Usually the plastic site is not in view of the public so you dont usually get any MOP trying to get in, anyway they have a gaurd on duty at all times.
Also the traders are very mixed, you will get those who make their living from trading and those who only want to pay for petrol to get to and from events,

As Graham says the events are categorised Major, Large Mini, Mini and Regimental. Bank holidays are the best for trading because thay are usually classed as Majors and especially the August Bank holiday where they usually get the best turnout.

The SK is my best re-enactment market, i do more medieval and multi period but the SK generally beats them but then again my stall is allied to what the SK wants ie Powder Flasks, Armour, Costume, Braid and White goods, my wrought iron sometimes makes an appearance but is a slow seller. Basically know what the market wants and get your goods to sell to that market.

I must admit its slightly unusual trading wise but it works, although you do have a very varied trader base, no restrictions on whther you trade from an authentic tent, plastic gazebo or caravan awning!
Logistics sometimes will only allow traders rown to be on the SK site, On a major you need quite a lot of camping, this can be a little away from the public site and SK reenactors are very reluctant to walk from the plastic to the public site to get goods so the best option is to trade to the reenactors only, and as Graham says 3000 reenactors is not unacheivable.

I know traders who de very very well and some who do not quite so well but in fairness if you have the goods the reenactors want then you should do well (hopefully)

By the way the rules to trade are that you must belong to the society and also a regiment within the society prior to your application to trade, it isnt just a matter of ringing up and booking in. Society membership is around £50 for family for first year. Its site is very secure and to enter you must go through the gate guard, no membership, no enter.

Hope this helps, i have traded within SK for a long time so i ahve a little experience.


Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:10 am
by sally
thanks everyone, I'll try to find out how many people are expected and will decide from there. :D

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:22 pm
by Martin
Ive been (I think) invited to the same do though I thought it was ECWS best check the email lol, I'm tempted TBH they have big turnouts compared to other areas of reenactment, if your doing it Sal fancy a van share ?

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:22 am
by Vic James
Sally / Martin
I totaly agree with Bob and Grahams comments . If its an SK major then its worth a try ,,,
But if its not the SK ; then thats a different story ;to coment on the pros and cons
wise old heads would need more details .

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:41 am
by busy mole
If it is SK then I would echo what Boblad has said.
We have started doing them, Very relaxed and enjoyable events.
Trading times to suit, and they can be big events.

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:51 am
by Tod
If its the one I'm doing its not SK. I traded at the same groups event last year and did really well. The usual reason for having re-enactor only trading is becasue they can put what they want on their camp site, but the public area is run by the client and so you pay a higher pitch fee.

Re: 're-enactor only' trading pitches?

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:49 am
by 'BOB'2
It's not iffy and it's not SK. :wink: Please keep an eye on your inboxes for further developements and/or info.