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Courgettes/marrows- when do we start growing them in Britain

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:36 am
by sally
ok, there are lots of summer quashes native to the Americas, there are also versions native to Eurasia, but when do they move over here and get grown with any regularity? I don't think we have a native edible squash or gourd do we?

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:58 am
by matilda
Hi Sally,

I found a cookery site which suggests they were brought over in the 16th Century with the spanish.

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:57 pm
by sally
Thats what I understand as well, but thats not the same as they going into widespread production, or is it in this case? For example, we get potatoes then, but it takes a while for them to filter down into common fare for most people. I'm struggling to think of any vegetable marrow recipes that are pre victorian offhand

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:06 pm
by matilda
yes, sorry - missed that part of the question!

Re: Courgettes/marrows- when do we start growing them in Britain

Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:43 pm
by Captain Reech
All I can find are references on how to grow cucumbers, no recipes so I'm assuming they were eaten raw. Will keep looking!

Re: Courgettes/marrows- when do we start growing them in Britain

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:20 pm
by gregory23b
Palladius is a husbandry book, translated into English in the late middle ages, however the book originated in warmer European climes and not all the veg might be feasible in England at a time when the average temperatures were lower.

Chauliac is a medical treatise.

(a) (c1384) WBible(1) (Dc 369(2)) Bar.6.70: Dreed in place where cucumeris [WB(2): gourdis], that ben bitter herbis, waxen [L in cucumerario] kepith no thing.
(a1398) * Trev. Barth.(Add 27944) 221b/b: Þilke herbes cucumeres hauen þat name for þey beþ bitter som tyme.
?c1425 *Chauliac(2) (Paris angl.25) 187a/a: Cucumer azininus is an herbe hote & drye in þe secounde degree.
(?1440) Palladius (DukeH d.2) 4.183: Cvcumber in this mone is sowen rare.
c1440 Thrn.Med.Bk.(Thrn) 63/37: Tak brok grese..& þe leues of cucumerbers. c1450 Med.Bk.(1) (Med-L 136) 144/424: Cucumbre shuld be gederid when the froite is rype, and the froyte shuld be layd vnder vynes. a1500 Sln.Herb List (Sln 1201) 74: Herbys necessary for a gardyn..Kykombre, yt bereth apples.

(b) (?1440) Palladius (DukeH d.2) 1.916: Another craft sleeth fleen: Wattrid cucumber seed or comyn grounde.
(?1440) Palladius (DukeH d.2) 1.981: Thy seedis with cucumber [vr. cocumber] rotis grounde Let stepe. (?1440) Palladius (DukeH d.2) 4.197: Cucumber flour of summen into a reed, Ythrollid euery knotte, is softe ydo.

(c) (a1398) * Trev. Barth.(Add 27944) 230a/a: In þe fruyt þerof beþ þre cellis and in euerich celle iij graynes oþer four..som tyme þikke and naisshe interclose as in cucumer and cucurbita.
a1400 Lanfranc (Ashm 1396) 275/14: He schal ete fenel..erucam, melones, cucumeris [L cucumeres].

(a1398) * Trev. Barth.(Add 27944) 221b/b: Som cucumer is tame and som wilde. ?c1425 *Chauliac(2) (Paris angl.25) 45b/a: Take of..þe roote of wylde cucumer [L radicis cucumeris aggrestis]. (?1440) Palladius (DukeH d.2) 1.913: Cucumber [vr. Cocumber] wyld and colloquynt do brese. (?1440) Palladius (DukeH d.2) 4.163: Her holes oon wel filleth vp with wilde Cucumber Iuce [L succo agrestis cucumeris].


(a1399) Form Cury (Add 5016) p.14: Gourdes in Potage. Take young Gowrdes, pare hem, and kerue hem on pecys.

?c1425 Arun.Cook.Recipes (Arun 334) 426: Take yonge gourdys and pare hom therto gode broth, and mynse onyons..and let hom seth.

Wycliffe Bible
a1425(c1395) WBible(2) (Roy 1.C.8) 4 Kings 4.39: He gaderide therof gourdis of the feeld; And he fillide his mentil, and he turnede a3en and schredde [WB(1): hewede to gydre] in to the pot of potage.