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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:17 pm
by Fillionous
OK I have long hair, as it it comes down to my waist when loose, but it is very fine and gets very easily knotted.
Normally in the 21C I draw it up to the top of my head, tie it, then platt... sort of a platted pony tail from the top of my head rarther than the back... this is because I have some short hairs that 'escape' and get in my eyes and face if I tie it at the back. When done like this it fairly well stays put, does not escape and also does not become one matted tangle at the first breath of wind.

I do WoR period and am well aware that I have to cover my head... but what would be an authentic hair style / cut / way of tieing my hair underneath?
I portray a craftmasters wife... he has just gone to master from journeyman, we are not massivly wealthy, but trying to go up in the world.
I need something that will keep my hair tidy, that I can relitivly quickly do for myself, with no mirror - while being aware that most pins, combs and ties just slip right out of my fine hair.

Thanks for any ideas / pictures / referances as to how I should be dressing my hair and what I should be wearing over that.

Be bright, be bold

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:22 pm
by sally
Why not do exactly what you do now, but in two plaits each side of a parting. THen wrap those round your head and bung your headdress on top. For posh wear you can 'tape' them, with ribbons- I have a picture in mind, will see if I can find it to double check the date is rights and I'm not getting confused

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:11 am
by Marcus Woodhouse
I've shown this to me daughter, sh'd like to know more, as a shaven headed thug I don't know the first thing about haircrafting.

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:23 am
by lidimy
Sally's suggestion sounds very similar to the method described in the Tudor Tailor. Two plaits, tied off with tapes then wound round the head and tied together with the tapes. Seems like a good method to me :)

Lidi :D

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:32 am
by sally
If you google hair taping there are a few sites showing experimental ways to do the hair this way, some more closely based on portaits than others, but mostly perfectly plausible as a way of containing the hair

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:46 pm
by Cat
On the rare occasions when I female it, I've always caught my long hair up into a cloth, like the Muslim women do and tied it off at the front, so the back forms a bag to contain the hair, then sometimes I wear a broad brimmed wool or straw hat on top.

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:15 pm
by Zachos
Any ideas on styles for guys with long hair, besides bowl cut (not happening)?

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:18 am
by Bil
Yes tie it back with a bit of thonging, works for me :P

I'll be off now!

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:44 pm
by Cat
Bloke answer:I plait it into a single plait, tied off with leather thong or braid and either left to dangle or hidden down back of doublet depending on authenticittittiitty of event. Ponytail is more manly but rubs into a dread.

Also I have one of the big-crowned Polish straw hats (like the hat on the bloke in the Arnolfini marriage portrait) which I can hide all of my hair in, although this can get very warm.

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:28 pm
by Sophia
Filionious - Can heartily recommend the two plaits method. It works most effectively when you plait lengths of tape (linen/cotton) into the ends and use them to help secure the plaits round your head. This hairstyle also has the great advantage of minimising slippage of headgear.

Marcus - If you and Rachel are at Rockingham come and find me and I will show her how to put her hair up and how to tie a headcloth as she looks a bit old to be going bareheaded.

Sophia :D

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:06 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
Have pmed your good self angel.

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:03 pm
by X
Depending on the style of what you are going to wear over the top of your hair, various styles will do, mostly involving plaiting it and pinning it up either into a bun, two buns (on either side) or winding them around your head.

Another good wheeze if you have flyaway bits of hair around your face is to make yourself a fillet of bias-cut linen that ties around your head like an Alice band (full description in the Medieval Tailor's Assistant, or PM me). This performs the dual purpose of keeping the flyaway bits of hair out of your face and therefore allowing you a bit more flexibility in where you start your plait(s), and also giving you something to pin your headdress to, adding to the security of the whole arrangement. If you are wearing a hair-concealing headdress, the fillet will also be concealed.

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:33 pm
by JC Milwr
For flyaway bits: another option (in addition to tying) for both sexes is to use hair gel, as the medieval hair would naturally have a lot more grease than ours, cos they didn't wash it every day!

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:11 pm
by Alice the Huswyf
Even modern haridressers who are doing and posh 'up do' request that clients come to them with 'dirty hair'. Freshly washed hair is too slippy to hold shape and form. On the occassions I have had to put up clean hair on others, a good spraying with harispray, then brushed through mimics the hold of 'dirty' hair (ie by modern standards hair that has not been washed for a couple of days).

Of course hair that has not been washed for several weeks, but has been brushed through regularly to distribute the oil along the shaft, while it does not have the bounce and height of modern hair loaded with product and blowdrying actually has a shine and dressability that we have to replicate with said loads of product. If you try this experiment on modern hair, bear in mind that it takes a while for the scalp to rebalance oil production to suit.

Hair that lived with a lower washing regime probably didn't in most cases get as greasy as modern hair will except in a few cases and in hormonal change situations such as puberty or pregnancy. And I expect hair powder was an adequate dry shampoo, if not using one of the spot cleaning methods like root washing (what i recently larnt about).

Take over, Sally P!

I am reliably informed.......

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:26 pm
by Don't (Black Serpent)
I asked Mouse as she had similar problem when she was in a stage show where she had to do the whole Princess Leia thing

(It sounds similar to what you guys are talking about, don't kill me, I'm a bloke with short hair!)

She said, in desperation, they did resort to fixing the "coils" over with a thin bobble, then wrapped in a dark pipecleaner (that's the clever bit apparently), then the edges of the coil pinned to the head to cover the support.

Hope that helps!

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:05 pm
by Cat
Woss root-cleaning then JC? (Long hair, any quick fixes welcome!)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:46 am
by Alice the Huswyf
Sponging the roots clean but leaving the shafts dry: scalpwashing. I can't remember whether Sally makes a passing reference or gives details in her book.