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16th Century birds and bees...
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:26 pm
...to some, this is not about nature.
ok, i dont know how to write this, and whatever i do write, will sound wrong. but its in the name of research for my story. Being skint doesnt help either, so dont suggest buying any books (and my mum and dad have done the xmas shopping).
Does anyone have any links to clean websites on Tudor sex etc etc and religious (preferably catholic) views about said subject?
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:24 pm
or even just some general knowledge that you have read in books?
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:31 pm
a carefully restricted google search (Restricted so as to avoid all the dodgy websites) produced nothing much at all. Some references to books and academic papers, but nothing available online.
Have you tried your local library? They should be able to order in books that they dont have themselves. Try making a list of books on life in tudor England and then going along to the library and searching for them in the entire library catalogue.
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:33 pm
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:27 pm
The publications listed on this page might be useful.
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:55 pm
Wrong period I know, but maybe if you search on this site
I've read that in medieval times certain postions were considered un-natural enough to result in birth defects, don't know if that carried over.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:04 am
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:22 am
what sort of views were youlooking for?
Looking in any of the books about women in early modern England - will give you a chapter or too on attitudes at the relevant period
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:00 am
The Family, Sex and marriage in england 1500 - 1800
ISBN 014 055 1670
not sure if it is still in print
Also slightly earlier but with lots of relevant details:
The ties that bound - hanawalt
also by her
Growing up in medieval London
The last two are about daily life, sex and marriage feature there.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:41 am
If you can get hold of a copy of the History in Action 2000 video it contains footage of Ruth Goodman's (of Tales from the Green Valley) lecture 'A Tudor Married Person's Guide to Sex'. Very funny and very informative.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:59 am
John, an excerpt is on the Tudor group site
go to extracts from newsletters.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:09 pm
Yep, that's the one. I seem to recall something about tying ribbons around your testicles to influence the sex of an ensuing child. I preffered to leave it to chance.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:24 pm
I tried the ribbons, but they went blue and fell off.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:37 pm
That bit about shocks or frights and reaching up high is advice my mum gave me when I was pregnant. (Which wasn't sooo long ago)
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:06 pm
Thanks for all the replies! I shall have a proper look when i get home, college isnt the place to being such things!
My friend suggested i looked in sex and catholic views because at one point in my story the girl confesses to a priest for the sin for kissing another man when being married to another.
She also said she'll send some extracts from her book about Catherine Howard.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:34 pm
You should be able to get a lot of the books listed in our various replies through inter-library loan at your college library.
Alternatively see if you can get reading privileges at your local university library. Not sure where you are based so can't advise on other possible sources.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:45 pm
Colschester in Essix...i mean Essex
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:04 pm
Nearest University Library is Albert Sloman Library at University of Essex. You may well have to write to Librarian explaining why you want to use the library - best to get a supporting letter from a tutor or perhaps someone connected to Kentwell vouching for your genuine interest.
Another option is your public library - Essex seems to have a county wide catalogue system and you can order books which are held at other sites. Otherwise try inter-library loan services again via the public library.
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:39 pm
I just read the excerpt. Apart from the 'woman being all watery and weak' bit, what a nice view of the whole process. I particularly like the 'hoover' image...
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:01 pm
annis dearie, judt read the bit in 'katherine howard' that i told you about, i hsve no doubt that you will find it VERY helpful! got some nice little poems written by some tudor guy too (well, not sure if 'nice' is quite the right word)
will sendez vous them to you on sunday
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:51 pm
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:57 pm
s'ok - got some interesting looks from my peers in english though! ha ha
ah well, all good fun
would come online but am round a friends house
performance tonight! wooooooooooooooo!
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:04 pm
What were you doing in English?
(force her to let you online! and have you checked your emails? your friend can read it too
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:32 pm
The piece of story that I am doing the research for can be found here (the last post): http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewt ... 7&start=60
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:29 pm
The Catholic standpoint is that if you have Looked, (let alone kissed, fondled, groped, etc) at another man or woman whilst married to another with lustful intent then you have commited adultery "in the heart", which is a sin that would need to be confessed before recieving the Eucharist. So if your character is to go further than that then confession and penance would be required. If that is the case now then I suspect it would have been taken even more seriouslly in the 1500's. Women do get a bum deal on it, men, even married ones seem to have got off lighter then women, but you might always be able to find a pardoner who will let you off for a few coins.
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:34 pm
Post break with Rome there were no longer any pardoners.
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:42 pm
I assumed she is pre Reformation otherwise she would not need to confess at all, except that she was a Catholic traitor to the Crown perhaps. Then the penance would be verrry servere.
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:59 pm
well, as far as i know, the story is set during the reign of katherine of aragon *looks at annis for confirmation* so no break with rome... yet
p.s - in english, i was just chuckling to myself at a poem about the issue at hand, written by some tudor dude... so naturally the boy next to me wanted to read it... and then my friends.. etc etc
who says history is boring?!
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:04 pm
Yes, set in 1515 to be precise.
The information you sent Marcus Woodhouse was very interesting!
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:26 pm
Marcus, do you know any more about a Eucharist? because that would be just great!