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A question for archers...........

Postby RICHARD.D46 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:57 pm

Has anyone got any info,or possibly, be able to point me in the right direction to gather information regarding steel in arrowheads from 14th to 15th centuries................I've been trying to find articles via Google, but it's a bit hit and miss........or..........any wisdom to be imparted on said subject would be greatfully received.

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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby gregory23b » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:15 am

weren't they wrought iron?

There is a fair bit on the interweb, try putting in - medieval arrowheads

You will find an interesting article by Hector Cole.


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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby Sophia » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:26 am

If you are doing a literature search then use Google Scholar (to be found from the main Google page). Exoeriment with search strings and it should throw up some useful stuff.


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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby Alan E » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:17 pm

gregory23b wrote:weren't they wrought iron?

There is a fair bit on the interweb, try putting in - medieval arrowheads

You will find an interesting article by Hector Cole.

Not all of them, in fact some were specifically manufactured with steel (although not the "armour piercing bodkins" that some would expect). Summary here:
http://www.royalarmouries.org/what-we-d ... arrowheads

Royal Armouries Research page, my italics wrote:The question

One difficulty with arrowhead studies is identifying the types used in warfare for piercing armour. Documentary records are not sufficiently specific, but do suggest the need for hardened heads. Could metallography help identify which of three likely types were made for this purpose:

* The long, narrow bodkin (A)

* The barbed and socketed head (London Museums Type 16) (B)

* The square sectioned quarrel©

Results of analysis

Even within the small group of arrowheads which have been studied metallographically, one type stands out as being unusually carefully constructed using the relatively expensive material, steel, for points and cutting edges and usually being quenched to achieve maximum hardness. This is the Type 16 (B above) compact barbed and socketed head.

Significance

Despite claims that bodkin and quarrel heads were suited to the attack of armour, there is no evidence that these were normally constructed of materials that would provide sufficient mechanical strength to overcome metallic plate armour. By contrast the care and expense expended on the “high-tech” hardened composite iron/steel Type 16 heads suggests that these were intended for such a purpose.
Output

After the findings were originally presented at the International Medieval Congress in Kalamazoo, Michigan, the text was published as Chapter 12 in a volume entitled De Re Metallica: the Uses of Metals in the Middle Ages.

Through this and other routes, the previously widely held view that bodkin points were the main type of armour piercing warhead has gradually given way to greater acceptance of type 16s in this role. Meanwhile, research has continued and now, with the support of Simon Richardson, is looking at arrowheads recovered from the site of the Battle of Towton, 1461.


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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby gregory23b » Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:27 pm

Thanks for that, looks interesting, nice to see new things about it all.


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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby RICHARD.D46 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:09 pm

Thank you..........that'll keep me busy for a while.........

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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby Langley » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:52 am

Interesting question indeed Richard. If all else fails you could try contacting Alan Williams through the Wallace Collection - he specialises in the metalurgy of mediaeval armour and weapons.



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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby guthrie » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:50 pm

Hmm, that suggests we need to do more field testing...



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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby guthrie » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:54 pm

Also, it occured to me that if you make one of those square short armour piercing heads too hard, it'll shatter or bounce off, whereas if there's a bit of give it will perhaps apply the force better to the plate, and there's a lot of energy in one of those arrows.



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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby EnglishArcher » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:57 am

I'd suggest you contact Mark Stretton, Chairman of the English Warbow society.

He's a Guild Master Arrowsmith and has done many years of study, both archaeological and empirical, on the metallurgy of medieval arrow heads.


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Re: A question for archers...........

Postby RICHARD.D46 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:01 pm

The thought crossed my mind,when someone asked me what arrow heads are made from...........

I've got a forge........and I've started making arrow heads........so far I've just about mastered bodkins..........it's took since easter,just doing it weekends,but I'm getting better all the time.I've watched various video clips on You Tube,and found Hector Coles short film very helpful,along with a very short one from Mark Stretton too.

I never considered any of the questions arising from what material they were made from 'back in the day'.............so I've started looking,I read the piece about type 16s being 'steeled',along with a few bits and bobs that are mentioned in various books..........obviously,for me,I just nip out and buy some 10mm square section bar and knock 'em out......simples......

I've also been looking into what armour was made from too........ie,lower grade,less expensive stuff being made from lower grade metal..........it opens up all sorts of questions that I've never considered before

Richard.




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