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A Themed heritage village that has been a Derby man's dream for years is finally being built.
Chaddesden resident Ed Buckley is the brains behind the Derventio Heritage Village, which is costing almost £1m.
Building work on the Racecourse park, next to Derbyshire County Cricket Club, began this month and is expected to be completed in July.
The five-acre site will include a visitor centre, two Celtic roundhouses, a Viking long hall, a scale model of a Roman village and a post-Second World War military camp.
There will also be four Saxon buildings - a blacksmith, a woodwork shop and two homes.
An allotment on the site will have a display of vintage tools and garden equipment. There will also be a rope course play area.
Mr Buckley said he was hopeful that the village would be a success. It was aimed at three different types of audiences - the general public, schools, and people who wanted to take part in training workshops in ancient technologies.

Sounds good - walking distance from our house :D
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This does sound good, we are only just up the road as well, be nice to have such a thing so local.
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It will be fine if they do it properly - I have seen some really crap 'reconstruction' sites.

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Just an update 7.5 ton of wood arrived (aching back!)week before last ,and already wall planking is up on the 3 saxon houses.As soon as the hazel arrives we will be all hands on to wattle & daub and thatch with the reeds.Also updated plans to original layout is to replace one of the planned saxon buildings with a Medieval/Tudor building which will have a Forge on the outside of a brick gable wall & a bread oven to the interior.
Anyone fancy joining in at the planned event during August Bank Hol. give the other half a shout as we are organisers for this event.There is an hotel next door for those less hardy,camping on site (possibly some in the buildings themselves)& showers available next door at the cricket training centre.Open to multi-period groups too. email theblackmaunch@btinternet.com

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Sawn softwood? And did you really use corsican pine for the 'Iron Age' roundhouses - Oh dear - if this is so you want to get a decent archaeological reconstructions consultant otherwise you will get me visiting and proclaiming in a loud voice how bloody dreadful the reconstructed buildings are!

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We are helping Eddy and the Ltd Companyinvolved in trying to get this local community project off the ground,i am sure Eddy would appreciate any volunteers with constructive comments and practicle help to improve the project (which has taken 4 years just to get to this stage)
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volunteers with constructive comments and practicle help
You have left it a bit late for the constructive comments - the time to do research is before you start building! I am afraid I am a little far from Derby to offer any on site help but I will be happy to give some advice on how to do archaeological reconstructions if you (or anyone else from the project) would like to pm me.

I daresay the general mops will be happy with it but it seems a lot of effort for what appears, from the pictures, to be a second rate product - if the authenticity officer let you have nylon tunics in your group, this would be a similar crime to building houses using inauthentic materials and techniques.

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I cannot comment as a volunteer i have no control over design, material supply,build of anything other than the medieval building which we were asked to help design and build based on our (limited) knowledge of buildings within this period.We joined in with this project to help! after seeing the posting of this very first thread thanks to Sir Jarvis Phelps.We have noticed things which even to us would appear not 100% and have indicated as such to Eddy and adapted where possible .Eddy to be fair is a local doing his best to plan,design,project manage,obtain the materials within budget & report back to the funding commitee & keep the momentum going.The 4th Saxon building is now looking to be changed at the planning stage accordingly to that of a medieval dwelling and forge.Eddy has even said that once the inital build including the visitor centre has been made,then there will be scope to improve with ongoing projects.As locals ourselves we are giving as much support as we can from within the team to help make this dream succeed.

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Hi Mike
Sir Jarvis is me under another name (don't ask!). Good to see something I've posted on here has had a positive effect - as a "local" you know I'm keen to bring this to a wider audience anyway and am pleased to see how the site is developing.

I get the m300572 points re: the materials but that isn't really what this site is about. It's about bringing a focus on history to an area which to be honest has let it pass by. The activities will be the product. More power to it.

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I did wonder if it was you Craig when i saw the ''Scotland Logo'' ,sorry i personally am working at the weekend but the rest of the guys that are available will be there to give you some support. But back to the project- that is so true Eddy has already had comments from the local kids and adults alike about the ''Gypsy Camp'' on the park and we ourselves have experienced the total lack of any type of inspiration or ownership of our own heritage roots,when teaching in local schools.

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Looks like it will be a worthwile project, one can see from the photos that they are using medieval wooden type beams, no doubt nailed with wooden plugs as per medieval building design, but being derbyshire maybe too much rain to see it clearly... :)

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www.emms.org.uk/derby.htm
www.derbygripe.co.uk/museum.htm

Pity that the guy with the dream had to resign.. excerpt from above link

"Work had been due to start on the Derventio Heritage Village, a £1.2m attraction to celebrate Derby's past after more than three years on the drawing board. But the project is now the subject of a review by Derwent Community Team, the organisation sponsoring it, which could take two months to complete. The amount of money spent on creating and submitting plans, paying staff, producing a model and holding an archaeological dig remains a mystery. The review follows the resignation of project manager Ed Buckley, the Chaddesden man who came up with the idea.
Karl Walkinshaw, director of Derwent Community Team, said, "Our company, Derwent Delivers Ltd, will interview everyone concerned to find out what has happened. We need to find out why Ed decided to resign. We're committed to the project. We'd like Ed to deliver it." After becoming disillusioned by delays, Mr Buckley resigned. Michael Foote, director of corporate services for the council, said the authority received an objection over the plans for the land after a notice was advertised. Although the issue has now been resolved, it meant the lease could not be signed as planned. But Mr Foote said, "If the team came back to us to conclude the agreement, there would be no issue from our side." (Source: Derby Evening Telegraph)"

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We have noticed things which even to us would appear not 100% and have indicated as such to Eddy and adapted where possible .Eddy to be fair is a local doing his best to plan,design,project manage,obtain the materials within budget & report back to the funding commitee & keep the momentum going.The 4th Saxon building is now looking to be changed at the planning stage accordingly to that of a medieval dwelling and forge.Eddy has even said that once the inital build including the visitor centre has been made,then there will be scope to improve with ongoing projects
Fair enough - there is hope therefore that over time the dodgy bits can be replaced with more authentic reconstructions. I would suggest that the project team attempt to get access to as much coppice woodland that they can as a resource for future materials (local Wildlife Trusts, RSPB, English Nature reserves are always a good place to start) The wood requirements of proper reconstructions can be fairly staggering to realise - just enough firewood to keep a small fire burning in an 8 metre diameter roundhouse requires a wood pile which entirely fills the space under the eaves.

Iwould debate Craig's point about the materials (and leading from that the construction techniques). Would he, as a reenactor, go out in nylon fabric, rubber soled shoes and galvanised chain mail and represent himself as an authentic recreation of a mediaeval soldier - the same levels of authenticity should be applied to building reconstructions otherwise a false impression of what our ancestors were capable of is engendered.

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Er no Scraggles, Eddy hasn't resigned - he's returned and leading the project. That article is from last year. I had thought the project had died because of that, until I went to my gym one day (it's next door) and things had started to happen.

m3 - I said I understood your points and personally would have preferred it to be 100% authentic to avoid it being written off as second-rate before it's even halfway built. Not being in the team I can't comment as to the direction.

However, it is a route into history for kids in an area where there is nil, nada, nout and for that I give it my support.
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NOt to slam this project as it's very good but why does everybody build viking holdings when they do a heritage/medieval village?

Why don't people build more Medieval 14th century onwards buildings

hmm all I have to do is get a few million find a site and hmmm yes I can see this forming quite nicely

anyone have a spare million or two just burning a whole in their pockets?
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tonw wrote:NOt to slam this project as it's very good but why does everybody build viking holdings when they do a heritage/medieval village?

Why don't people build more Medieval 14th century onwards buildings

hmm all I have to do is get a few million find a site and hmmm yes I can see this forming quite nicely

anyone have a spare million or two just burning a whole in their pockets?
Yes I know what you mean - but I suppose there are quite a few real medieval buildings about, although I'd love a Cosmeston up in this neck of the woods

I originally approached Eddy with a view to my group getting involved as I thought the project did overlook Derby's medieval heritage and thanks to the Black Maunch's efforts the period will have some representation.

We're hoping to use it as an off-season training facility (when the weather's OK) that people will see - and want to get involved in what we're doing. It's right next to Derbyshire CCC and one of the main routes into the centre.
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I had a friend who wanted to build a small village/market with lists for tournaments

He managed to get the finances together but the various bits of land kept being snapped up but big business and now his finances have dwindled away to only being able to put on a few events every few years

Was a shame his plans were brilliant

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m3 - I said I understood your points and personally would have preferred it to be 100% authentic to avoid it being written off as second-rate before it's even halfway built. Not being in the team I can't comment as to the direction.

However, it is a route into history for kids in an area where there is nil, nada, nout and for that I give it my support.
I must admit that if I lived closer than three hours away I would probably give it support as well - if you would like to point the crew putting it together in my general direction I can give them advice, if they want it (my site got a British Archaeological Award for the Best Site Pesenting Archaeology to the Public and I teach Heritage Interpretation so I can demonstrate that I know what I am doing). I

f you can get the kids in and interested (and involved in building it) its an insurance nightmare but does mean that its less likely to get torched one night (has happened to a number of reconstructions) as the local chav kids have a stake in it and it raises their interest. And its a source of recruits for our future!

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This project sounds ideal to link with the Derbyshire literature festival! Too late for this year but if you contact the assistant head of arts at Derbyshire County Council and ask about next year I'm sure it would be idea to set up some Anglo-Saxon riddle telling or similar!

This year's festival details are at:

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/festival

It would make an ideal setting if conditions are suitable for visitors by then, you would need to get things organised by late Jan 2007 ready for the festival dates of beginning two weeks of June.
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good to hear he retunred, looks an excellent progject, see lots of timeber framed houses on the tv and online and they er look different for some reason....

am sure the balck mauch will be able to provikde the activities ?

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Scraggles wrote:good to hear he retunred, looks an excellent progject, see lots of timeber framed houses on the tv and online and they er look different for some reason....

am sure the balck mauch will be able to provikde the activities ?
There's lots going on covering a variety of periods - the Maunch have just got involved relatively recently and are assisting - they are not the project.

However they and Regia have a couple of events lined up there. The Maunch are there August Bank Holiday, ably assisted by two members of the Dogs of War (i.e. me and sara1459) :D
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Yes the whole essence of the project is to have injection of interest from as many sources as possible especially the local community,the schools etc & don't think it will be a situation where any one group or organisation will 'try to take over' but together we can get some of the ''yea but no but yea's'' and ''can i bi bovered''types actually enthused and interested .Like Craig said we are just a few individuals helping out where we can & fumbling along ,learning from others as well as putting forward suggestions ,over 500 native trees have been donated from Smalley water park ,tons of bark chippings for paths from the Parks dept,but the project is still looking for a supply of stone for the dry stone walls & 2" bricks too(well its worth a try).The project looks like being bigger than the sum of the parts with the enthusiasm alone.

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2" bricks too(well its worth a try
Try setting up your own brickworks and firing them yourselves.

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Can't say it hasn't crossed our minds about the bricks especially as the medieval house is likely to be a 'work in progress' at the site if it gets all the approval.The Regia volunteers especially Steve, are looking to set up a kiln and have a go at some floor tiles-might even see if they can hire Kate to give us some clues(if she is willing).There has even been talk at producing a scaled down trebuche.

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Rampant Wolf wrote:There has even been talk at producing a scaled down trebuche
Oh dear, please don't let Dave know.... he's been on about making one for ages. Still, it might keep him quiet though :)
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There has even been talk at producing a scaled down trebuche.
BORING - do a full sized one!! :twisted: :twisted:

http://www.middelaldercentret.dk - this looks like a great site!!

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Sal wrote:
Rampant Wolf wrote:There has even been talk at producing a scaled down trebuche
Oh dear, please don't let Dave know.... he's been on about making one for ages. Still, it might keep him quiet though :)
I am SO there! Must call Dave, Fletch, Wayland...
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