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Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Stuart Quayle » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:20 pm

Hi folks

Not very good on quotes but ... I wonder if any of you knowledgable folks here can direct me to any famous and memorable warrior chieftan battle quotes or war prayers through the ages?

Are there any books out there which cover this subject possibly?

The sort of thing would be say a Norse warrior king beseeching Odin for victory in battle or giving thanks for victory etc. Doesn't necessarily have to be Viking though.

Many thanks in advance for any/all help :thumbup:

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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby John Waller » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:46 pm

Sir Jacob Astley's prayer at the Battle of Edghill 1642 is one of the better known:-

“Oh Lord, thou knowest how busy I must be this day.
If I forget thee, do not thou forget me.
March on boys!”


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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Stuart Quayle » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:58 pm

Nice example John - many thanks :)

Keep em coming please



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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:02 pm

"Holy St. Micheal, defend us in our hour of battle.
Be like a sturdy sword and shield protecting us from all evil.
And help us to become true valient warriors of Christ, Amen."

It's one of my sons favourite nightime prayers.


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Postby The Methley Archer » Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:25 am

Immaculete heart of Mary
Pray for us now at the hour of our death
Amen

But I think this quite recent i.e. not medieval. I use it when i'm flying!


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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Neil of Ormsheim » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:11 am

Casting a spear over the opposing army is supposed to dedicate all those that you are about to kill to Odin. Shouting his name as you do it to attract his attention. The Bishop of Bayeuxs soldiers at Hastings were, aparently calling on Thor before and during the battle.

One thing the Vikings are working on at the end of the battle is allowing a few of the defeated, surrounded enemy to step out, declare who they are and challenge members of the opposition to to fight with honour (just before some archer shoots them in the back!). This is akin to Britnoths hearthtroop at Malden who made up heroic verses as they stood over the body of their deceased leader and defended it to the last man.


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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Stuart Quayle » Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:33 pm

Hehe ... Marcus and Methley Archer, thanks for your imput but not quite what I am looking for :wink:

Many thanks Neil - interesting stuff!

I found this viking prayer taken from the movie "The 13th Warrior"

Lo, there do I see my Father..
Lo, there do I see my Mother
And my Sisters and my Brothers..
Lo, there do I see the line
Of my people back to the beginning..
Thay do bid me to take my place among them..
In the Halls of Valhalla,
Where the Brave may live forever.

Pretty cool but only a movie line. My thoughts were are there any authentic viking battle prayers like this example?



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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Neil of Ormsheim » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:01 pm

[quote="
I found this viking prayer taken from the movie "The 13th Warrior"

Lo, there do I see my Father..
Lo, there do I see my Mother
And my Sisters and my Brothers..
Lo, there do I see the line
Of my people back to the beginning..
Thay do bid me to take my place among them..
In the Halls of Valhalla,
Where the Brave may live forever.

Pretty cool but only a movie line. My thoughts were are there any authentic viking battle prayers like this example?[/quote]

It is taken almost word for translated word from Ibn Fadlns' account of a "Viking" chieftans' funeral somewhere in what is now either Russia or Ukrain. Please remeber though - Viking is a job description; not a racial type.


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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Stuart Quayle » Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:10 pm

Superb! That will do nicely - thanks Neil.



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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Ranger Smith » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:06 am

They are reported to be the last words of a female slave

Each of the lines was spoken as she was lifted into the air.

She was then according to the discription ritualy raped then strangled at her former master feet

Not realy a battle field chant


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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Hobbitstomper » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:38 am

Kill them all, The Lord will know his own.

-Abbot Amery, seige of Beziers (probably in French or Latin)



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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby behanner » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:20 am

And amongst other things which I noted as said at that time, a certain knight, Sir Walter Hungerford, expressed a desire to the king's face that he might have had, added to the little company he already had with him, ten thousand of the best archers in England who would have been only too glad A notable to be there. 'That is a foolish way to talk', the king said to saying [of the him, 'because, by the God in Heaven upon Whose grace I king] have relied and in Whom is my firm hope of victory, I would not, even if I could, have a single man more than I do. For these I have here with me are God's people, whom He deigns to let me have at this time. Do you not believe', he asked, 'that the Almighty, with these His humble few, is able to overcome the opposing arrogance of the French who boast of their great number and their own strength?' as if to say, He can if He wishes. And, as I myself believe, it was not possible, because of the true righteousness of God, for misfortune to befall a son of His with so sublime a faith, any more than it befell Judas Maccabeus until he lapsed into lack of faith and so, deservedly, met with disaster.



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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:28 am

To which he did reply King Henry you're off your head mate and lo did he ride away at speed verily.


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Postby Captain Reech » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:35 pm

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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:27 pm

It's also difficult to know the exact nature of a dead religion.
Can we know exactly how any of the Pagan deities of Germanic and Celtic peoples were worshipped when they were passed on orally rather then through written transcript?
What is recorded is done through the eyes of vastly different cultures and beliefs, be they polytheastic Romans who deplored human sacrifice, Christians or Muslims.
Bearing in mind that most of the "ancient rites and rituals" of Wicca/Druidism are Victorian in origin (not that I believe this makes these faiths any the less credible then my own-all religous beliefs have to start from somewhere) I don't know how accurate or inaccurate you would be in saying anything.


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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Ellen Gethin » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:23 pm

I first came across the Ibn Fadln funeral scene while reading June and Schoolfriend comic in the early 1970s. In this case, though, the young girl (who of course was the heroine of the story, so wasn't going to get killed in the first installment - or raped, since this was for young girls) was hoisted in the air and said that she couldn't see anything. There was a good reason for this, as the Viking she was about to join on the longship wasn't actually dead - it was actually a ruse so he could go off and do something else.
Our young heroine joined him for a bit, then got left behind by accident on the shores of Scotland. Knowing that the Viking ship was going to sail up round the top of Scotland and down the other side, she decided to walk across Scotland and meet them on the other side - which seemed quite logical at the time.
And, yes, this was one of the influences that eventually got me involved in re-enactment!


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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby The_Kyle » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:34 pm

Hobbitstomper wrote:Kill them all, The Lord will know his own.

-Abbot Amery, seige of Beziers (probably in French or Latin)


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Re: Warrior battle quotes/War prayers.

Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:34 pm

Medieval French, it was not a prayer but a command given to the Crusaders who asked how they should tell apart Cathar heretics from orthodox Catholics in the town they had just captired.
As Middle French is as divorced from modern French as Middle English is that could be a difficult transaltion.


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