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There's an image of Hussite soldiers on a C15 tile from Tabor which depits them wearing "triangular" helmets. The Hussite Wars Osprey suggests they may be bascinets

I came across this in the St Agnes Convent museum in Prague

- Rajhrad Crucifixion, Bohemian artist, c1420 i.e. contemporary with the Hussites

The helmets appear to be pyramidal which would match up with the triangular shape on the tile - any thoughts?

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artistic licencing

perspective was not a known skill and painting curves is fairly difficult

the artist may have been attempting to paint a curve

or he may have never seen the style of helmet and is basing his painting on a description

unless we can see the faces of those pointed bits we'll never know I mean he could have been painting Madonna on her back for all we know :lol:
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tonw wrote:artistic licencing

perspective was not a known skill and painting curves is fairly difficult

the artist may have been attempting to paint a curve
What, so he could make a reasonable attempt at rendering depth perspective in the folds of the clothes, tonal face colours and shading but get him to try and draw a curve and he's fooked?

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depth perceptioon is easy to acheive using darker colours

the actual ability to get something to curve away from you is harder to do

to me the thin line down the centre of those helmets represents the curve of the helmet not a hard ridge

so as craig was saying they indeed look like they are wearing basinets

take the guy at the front wearing the pot helm it possess 4 aditional lines along the spiked dome which in my mind makes the top of his pot look like a pavillion tent
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tonw wrote:depth perceptioon is easy to acheive using darker colours
Not for someone who can't draw a curve.
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Tonw the image shows an understanding of perspective, the cross bars show a nod to it. Not only that but it was a generally understood principle, ignored a lot as were a lot of things, but more a case of pick an mix.

Also the artist seems more than capable of rendering curves if the kettle hatted man in front is to judge by, not to mention the rounding on the faces and pole arms

That line looks more like a narrow point, a la coventry sallet type, the sharpness of the helmet peak points (pun) to a conical shape.

I would also suspect that the weapons and helmets are silver leaf with line detail added, they all look too similar in tone and have the same basic flatness.

Any more on the pic Craig? ie a bigger picture?

was the yellow background gold?
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I'd be leaning towards almond shaped rather than sharply pyramidal, I'm sure I've seen kettle hats in this style in other images.

I'm trying to find some to illustrate what I mean.

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Here's another section from the same altarpiece. Frustratingly it shows the soliders faces but at insufficent resolution to shed further light

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