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Footage from Caerphilly 2010.

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A couple of clips of combat from the Caerphilly Christmas fair in 2010.

Fighting on the walls amongst the hoarding beams,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOhjyV4E3bQ

and in the inner Barbican.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAo6XxT3_rc
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Nice place to be. Why do the swords have stripes?

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this is an SCA event

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Cool kit. But why do they use swords with stripes? I'm not being sarcastic.

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The SCA do some odd things (just as most periods of re-enactors specialise in some odd and inauthentic things).

There is an honesty is the striped swords.

I understand the use of non-metalic, foam, "boffer" swords to allow a broader range of attacks and technics; although it seems that this isn't largely so that a more proper study of WMA/HEMA can be employed, and seems mostly to have created styles as anacronistic as most re-enactment methods.

And I am baffled by the rather odd, and often much later, guards that I see on the medieval swords; I can't understand how they offer more protection than the good pair of gauntlets (which they sometimes seem to be used in conjuction with, making the guard design even odder).

In truth, what confuses me most is that this is neither LARP nor re-enactment, where the aims seem clearly defined; it is neither fish nor foul, and I've never really understood the goal.
Again, there is an honesty in the name Society for Creative Anacroynism that most re-enactors could benefit from, but if the aim was to do something historical, it does seem like setting out to fail.

That said, some of the SCA are brilliant in their research, and there is as much variability in the SCA as there is re-enactment and I would be very cautious of lumping them all in the same pot.

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Hi Tod,

The Stripeyness is partly personal taste, partly ruleset. There's little you can do to disguise a 1 1/4" rattan baton as a sword, so I prefer to tape it up so it looks like a painted baton. Most SCAdians just go with silver gaffer tape and a thin black line to indicate the theoretical edge. -blows should still be delivered with good edge orientation...

Fox,

As you say, there is an honesty in the Striped 'Swords'

The basket hilts are ugly. I'm not fond of them myself, and encourage people to switch to a decent Hilt & Gauntlet arrangement asap.
They are cheap and expedient however. the SCA started using them 40+ yrs ago as a solution to an untenable number of hand injuries, back in the day when decent gauntlets were generally unavailable. Over time, I hope we'll be able to shift to gauntlets rather than baskets as the norm, but institutional inertia is a hell of a thing.... :|

Your query about the Aim of the excercise is a good one.
Honestly no two SCAdians will give you the same answer, but for my money, I think the de facto aim to have a Broad Church/Big tent society with a low barrier to entry, in order to enable people to explore whatever catches their interest in a supportive social framework. In Practice it means we put up with a fair bit of inaccurate stuff, but we do also produce some gems.
Combat wise, ours is a competitive martial sport. Some of us are content just to get on the field and have a bash, some use that field as a proving ground for their WMA/HEMA research, some work really hard to get very good at an anachronistic baton combat sport. :)

It's not perfect, It has multitudinous flaws, but it works for me.

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What time of day did this take place? I did pop over to Caerphilly for the Christmas Fayre but didn't any of this going on.

As for SCA combat and the SCA in general attitude is each to their own but it's not something that's ever appealed. Even when I did LARP I always preffered the latex weapons to look a bit like what they were supposed to be. Collecting bruises from metal weapons is part of the fun of re-enactment to me but as I said - each to their own.

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Simon,

On and off through Saturday and Sunday afternoon.
I know what you mean about collecting bruises. There's no shortage of them in the SCA.
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I like the honesty in the SCA and LARP. Pity there is so much bullsh*t in re-enactment and as a result total wang groups that look nothing like what they say they portray (Personal hate).

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Tod wrote:I like the honesty in the SCA
Obviously, I've said something similar; but, as ever, being Devil's Advocate, do you think the MoPs realise that when the SCA do something in (and perhaps for) the public, as was the case here.

I think many re-enactment groups would admit they were often not accurate for the sake of entertainment; I think that distinction is often lost on the MoPs in those cases too.

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I have to confess a certain level of ignorance when it's to the SCA. What does a typical event consist of? Does it involve performing in front of the public as is common for re-enactment or is it more for benefit of the participents as in LARP?

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Typically, an SCA event is for the participants' benefit.
The Caerphilly Fair was a bit of an exception, being as much for the Public's entertainment as ours.

A typical event would be,
arrive on site Friday, Pitch camp/crash, get into medieval clothing, eat, gossip, booze etc..
Sat, Tournament, Melees, workshops on various crafts/subjects, depending on the event.
Combats are unscripted, and the outcome is always contested.
Sat eve, Feast/banquet, cooked by volunteers, usually to a pretty high standard of Authenticity,
Sat Late, Medieval Dancing, Music, carousing.
Sunday, pack down & leave.

We aim to stay in the medieval for as much of the weekend as possible. There's no, "the MOPs have gone, take your kit off".

anywhere from a dozen attendees for a small local get together, to 150 people for five days at Raglan Fair.
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Quite similar to re-enactment in many respects then. Apart from the stripey sticks :wink:

To be fair most re-enactment are (or should be) for the benefit of both the public and the participents. The re-enactors enjoy showing off and impressing the MOPs and the MOPs go home after having an entertaining and possibly educational day out.
There's no, "the MOPs have gone, take your kit off".


As long as it's not "the MOPs are here, take your kit off" as that would be completely different sort of show altogether and not one for a family audience :crazy:

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