The Incident at the Rose and Crown

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The Incident at the Rose and Crown

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Pictures from Avoncroft on facebook open page

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2 ... d23470cd09
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Amazing! I'm not familiarized with English history of this period, but I can only say that Richard, Duke of Gloucester seems to came directly from a medieval paint! Great work! :thumbup:

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Here lives the wig of a traitor.

That Antony Wydville is a sexy M.F. though.
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I just have to say those pics are brilliant. For someone like me who knows nothing about the event (I know the history) could you explain what was happening?

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Was great fun defending the Pub.

Soo wanted to have a go at the archery from the windows.....

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Motley wrote:I just have to say those pics are brilliant. For someone like me who knows nothing about the event (I know the history) could you explain what was happening?

Cheers,
Dan.
We were re-enacting (albeit with a bit of historical licence) the events that occurred shortly the death of Edward IV, particularly the meeting between Gloucester and Buckingham, the interception of Edward V at Stony Stratford and the arrest and subsequent exection of Lord Rivers - we threw in a skirmish outside the inn for dramatic effect althought the arrest of Rivers appears to have been unresisted by his men.

The event took place at Avoncroft Historic Building Museum in Bromsgrove

Glad you liked the photos

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Then again as Lord Rivers had his men arrayed for pomp and glory as a King's escort and not for a real military campaign and they were several miles away from him when he was seized it was hardly surprising that they just went back home when ordered to by a Prince of the Blood.
Antony Woodville had spent a very pleasent nights company with two men he regarded as being family and in Richard's case as a brother in arms having spent time in exile with him and fighting with him at Barnet.
He was a career courtier and had been employed a a diplomat by Edward IV on several occasions as well so was understandably shocked at being so convincingly taken in by the deception commited by Glouster and Buckingham.
Contray to popular belief there was neither ill will or bad blood between any of the three men.
Henry Stafford held a grudge against Richard Woodville and the Duchess of Bedford but both were dead long before the events of 1483. Antony Woodville had written cautious praise of his younger brother-in -law to the then king who had his own reasons to mistrust Buckingham.
Richard had twice asked Antony to act as a negotiator in disputes with the Earl of Northumberland and Lord Stanley. Antony had also supported him in his disputes with Clarence following the events of 1471. They were also, no doubt, quite happy to see the eventual demise of George, Duke of Clarence as both picked up titles and land following his attainder and execution.
Like Lord Hastings, Antony Woodville ended up being done in by a man he liked, respected and trusted, if not as a friend then as a "work collegue".
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and there was me thinking it had more to do with not getting grass stains on his white hose :D
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That too.
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that's a relief
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Ghost wrote:
Motley wrote:I just have to say those pics are brilliant. For someone like me who knows nothing about the event (I know the history) could you explain what was happening?

Cheers,
Dan.
We were re-enacting (albeit with a bit of historical licence) the events that occurred shortly the death of Edward IV, particularly the meeting between Gloucester and Buckingham, the interception of Edward V at Stony Stratford and the arrest and subsequent exection of Lord Rivers - we threw in a skirmish outside the inn for dramatic effect althought the arrest of Rivers appears to have been unresisted by his men.

The event took place at Avoncroft Historic Building Museum in Bromsgrove

Glad you liked the photos

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Thanks for the reply. So this was a display for the public? was it a series of 'incidents' or was there more of a build up in plot and a bit of acting etc?
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Thanks for the reply. So this was a display for the public? was it a series of 'incidents' or was there more of a build up in plot and a bit of acting etc?
Yep was for the public - various linked semi scripted role playing scenes mixed in with a bit of action that gave a gradual build up in the plot throughout the day. This was all wrapped up with non scripted roleplaying around the Inn with secondary characters i.e landlord, his henchmen, customers, whores etc etc - we even did a "the story so far" bit after lunch for the afternoon arriving punters. Show ran from 11.00 to 4.00 with the Finale being an armed attempt by Woodville troops to "rescue" Vaughan etc on route for execution.

Client likes the format as it ensures that more of the public stay for the full day (and as a result spend more money in shop, cafe etc) as they what happens at the end - the last thing they want is for people to turn up, have a look and then leave for BnQ after an hour
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Cool, that sounds like a good format.
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That sounds like a good involving plot, and the photos look quite real as well.

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Thanks Guthrie
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But they are real photos.
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Real in that "yes its repro and its a modern photo but the look is about right for the period, so it somehow looks more real than just a bunch of people wearing fancy dress."

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You should have added some more pics, that better suited the title, such as all of you fellows, in full gear in the pub, all looking mortified at a spilled pint on the floor. That really would have been an Incident at the Rose and Crown.
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That's a tragedy-we're doing that next year.
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Actually no, were re-enacting the..............mmm, well that would be telling :wink:
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