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My god it's Ben Elton, didnt know he was a reenactor! :lol:
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Bil wrote:My god it's Ben Elton, didnt know he was a reenactor! :lol:
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mmm Spanish Civil War eh little bit a politics little bit a politics...

Seriously - saw you guys at Sheffield - good set-up :D
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Craig - you sure it's not you there under that hat? :lol:
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Nah - haven't dyed my hair blonde in years :lol:
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Looking really good there! :D Not sure though who exactly you're portraying - Republican or Nationalist, though my first guess would be Republican irregular militia (POUM?) Go on then, shoot me down... :wink:
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at that event we were portraying random militia such as POUM, CNT/FAI (anarchists) etc. but as a group we portray republican militias and british international brigades. if you want to have a look heres the website www.lacolumna.org.uk

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ilbastardo 2 wrote:at that event we were portraying random militia such as POUM, CNT/FAI (anarchists) etc. but as a group we portray republican militias and british international brigades. if you want to have a look heres the website www.lacolumna.org.uk
Apart from a group in Spain, does anyone else do the facists or Legionnaires?
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the fascist side is totally unrepresented, not one group i know of has done or does fascist.

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ilbastardo 2 wrote:the fascist side is totally unrepresented, not one group i know of has done or does fascist.
On your website there's a link to an event in Spain last year where there were a group doing Carlists - they even had the red beret of the Carlists.
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ah yes the carlists, i'd forgotten them

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If you want fascist representation try Stirling Castle during the summer season, our visitor book is filled with comments from Spanish visitors which have little to do with their visit.
Instead of the usual comments about the castle/weather/food, the Spanish leave comments about what they think of the Catalans/Basques/Franco.
In January we had a group of students in, they all had badges of the red/gold/purple republican flag.
Last Sunday we had an old guy wearing a bright red beret, our ticket collector made the mistake of asking where he hailed from, "Navarre" says the old guy, who then lectures our hapless ticket collector on the glory of the Carlists. He stomped into the castle with a cry of "Viva Christo Rey"!
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I remember hearing that if you ever watch Real Madrid playing Barcelona, what you are seeing is the Facist versus Republican forces re-fighting the Civil War. Am starting to believe it. :shock:
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[quote] On your website there's a link to an event in Spain last year where there were a group doing Carlists - they even had the red beret of the Carlists.[quote]

That would be the Castellon event near Valencia. Four Columnistas went, myself included, and we had a fantastic time. Ay Carmela is the name of the Spanish group. They do both sides, Republican & Nationalist, and are all charming, friendly & hospitable people.

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Mosca wrote:
On your website there's a link to an event in Spain last year where there were a group doing Carlists - they even had the red beret of the Carlists.

That would be the Castellon event near Valencia. Four Columnistas went, myself included, and we had a fantastic time. Ay Carmela is the name of the Spanish group. They do both sides, Republican & Nationalist, and are all charming, friendly & hospitable people.

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Does anyone do Spanish Foreign Legion? I could be quite tempted to do that.
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The Spanish Foreign Legion do the Spanish Foreign Legion, you could try them. However I believe they don't recruit many foreigners and never have. :wink:

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Mosca wrote:The Spanish Foreign Legion do the Spanish Foreign Legion, you could try them. However I believe they don't recruit many foreigners and never have. :wink:

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:roll: No I meant re-enact them - on the ay carmela! website there were a few guys dressed as Legionnaires, just wondered if anyone over here did it as well.

BTW, the Spanish Foreign Legion does recruit foreigners, most coming from impoverished countries in Central or Latin America. They did stop recruiting foreigners for about 5 years (no idea why) but started again in 2000 when numbers in the Legion started to drop.
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What I actually said was: ''they don't recruit many foreigners and never have. '' Not that they never did.

AFAIA Eoin O'Duffy's blueshirts served for a very brief period in the legion as, if memory serves, the 13th Bandera. I am aware of 2 other individuals, Peter Kemp & Frank Thomas who also enlisted in the legion. Individual foreign recruits were few and far between in Franco's forces; even the CTV & Condor Legion were resented despite their vast contribution to fascist victory.

AFAIK there are no Spanish foreign legion re-enactors in UK. La Columna certainly has no intention of portraying them. Can I ask what the attraction of a group whose motto is 'Long Live Death' (think about it) and who describe themselves as 'The Bridegrooms of Death' is for you?

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Speaking as one whose viewpoint is normally slightly to the right of Genghis Khan...I admit I've got a problem with the Nationalists...I think it's the glorying in anti-intellectual Medieval Catholocism that does it..& Milan Astray(sp?) has got to be one of the more unpleasant characters....think it's the only 20thcent conflict I'd have to line up with the "Reds"..'tho with misgivings based on hindsight of the Communist part..guess I'd have to be an Anarchist!
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Mosca wrote:AFAIK there are no Spanish foreign legion re-enactors in UK. La Columna certainly has no intention of portraying them. Can I ask what the attraction of a group whose motto is 'Long Live Death' (think about it) and who describe themselves as 'The Bridegrooms of Death' is for you?
Mosca, if you're going to take the moral high ground over this, remember that while the Spanish Legion were chanting "Viva Muerte!", not one person on the left in Spain saw anything wrong with Spain taking colonies in Africa. Even the current Spanish (socialist) government shows no intention of relinquishing those colonies.

I find it appealing because I like the uniform. I'm not in re-enactment for politics, but then I think that if a society is running events to show its politcal agenda then it's a political group, not are-enactment society.
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I'm glad it's not just me that says he looks like Benny boy! Jeez the flak I've had over that - Wait until he posts pictures of Wilf Lunn!!!!!!!

BTW - There is a Blue Division re-enactment unit.....
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Panzerman wrote:I'm glad it's not just me that says he looks like Benny boy! Jeez the flak I've had over that - Wait until he posts pictures of Wilf Lunn!!!!!!!

BTW - There is a Blue Division re-enactment unit.....
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Thanks for that, Alan! :D

I'm well aware of the shortcomings of the 2nd Spanish Republic, particularly in that the Government didn't free the African colonies and thus undermine Franco's treachery from the start.

I'm happy you like the Legion uniform. I must admit I'm a little puzzled over your reluctance to even make reference to the political side of what was that most political of wars. Surely ignoring 'the politics' means you only tell half the story? In our opinion, and it is only our opinion, this dis-enfranchises both the group and the public.

Moral high ground? Surely not; I was merely stating La Columna's position as honestly as possible. This is not a 'political agenda' (we don't seek office :wink: ) merely how we have chosen to portray the period in question.

I hope the info on foreigners in the legion is of some use to you. If there's anything else you need to know don't hesitate to ask.

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Mosca wrote:I'm happy you like the Legion uniform. I must admit I'm a little puzzled over your reluctance to even make reference to the political side of what was that most political of wars. Surely ignoring 'the politics' means you only tell half the story? In our opinion, and it is only our opinion, this dis-enfranchises both the group and the public.
Where did I say anything about ignoring the politics? I'm well aware that the Spanish Legion fought on the facist side, however what I did say is that a group that is that I'm not into re-enactment for politics, so where do you get the idea that I was ignoring the politics of the war? I'm also not reluctant to mention the politics of either side and again I'd like you to point out where I said that. The fact of the matter is, if a group is putting forward a politcal opinion, then it's a politcal group, not a re-enactment group. Now, you have stated that your group doesn't do that, but when I ask if anyone re-enacts as the facists, you get all defensive and start accusing me of things.
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