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Viking scabbard

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:27 pm
by Sygtrygg Athlunkard
Just finished a viking scabbard :D and quiver

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Viking scabbard.

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:30 pm
by Stuart Quayle
Very nice work 8)

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:00 am
by Templar Knight
That looks really good, colours are great. Is tooling the leather like that period, I wouldnt mind having something like that for 13th Century Scabbard

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:24 am
by Sygtrygg Athlunkard
Although they are 'modern' chemical based dyes, I tend to use colours that can be explained, ie- the red coming from a mix of red oacker, charcole and oil base, with the yellow coming from arsenic.
I know the authenticity bods may argue, but it dose look pretty cool ! :lol:

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:07 am
by Sir Thomas Hylton
All looks lovely to me. Pity I couldn't get away with designs like that on the field in a 15thC environment :(. As I have a real interest & love for Celtic & Viking knotwork. You should see the books I have at home on knotwork designs.

Must say rather envious 8) . Belt is somewhat special too.

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:37 am
by Medicus Matt
Templar Knight wrote:That looks really good, colours are great. Is tooling the leather like that period,
Not on sword scabbards, no.
And certainly not on a 13th century one.

And an exposed runner/slider? The AOs would have a spasm (they've been banned from being used on new scabbards in the Vike). :wink:

Nice leatherwork though. Lot of work went into that.

Why's it got a 6th century ladies brooch on it?

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:23 am
by Medicus Matt
Sir Thomas Hylton wrote: You should see the books I have at home on knotwork designs.
Do any of them mention the fact that most of what is referred to as 'Celtic knotwork' is really 'Anglo-Saxon interlace'?

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:26 am
by Sir Thomas Hylton
Medicus Matt wrote:
Sir Thomas Hylton wrote: You should see the books I have at home on knotwork designs.
Do any of them mention the fact that most of what is referred to as 'Celtic knotwork' is really 'Anglo-Saxon interlace'?
As it happens some of the books do break things down to a more correct detail & show where certain patterns originate etc. However, as a term Celtic may be incorrect, But that said, Celtic knowork is however a good cover all for the many & varied styles, as its something most people can associate with. And when looking for titles for books is convenient for many. If say, a book was titled Anglo-Saxon interlace pattern as you suggest, I don't think the book would sell very well.

I've some very nice books on illuminated manuscript etc as well. Most of which when I've got the time, I think I fancy trawling through once more.

All said & done, no matter what we want to call these designs & we could be pedantic (& correct), but if we like what we are looking at no matter what the history the enjoyment is in the art & that of the beholder, it really makes little difference except to the real scholars like yourself. :D

And without good scolars, we wouldn't have half the publications we do have. So I thank you for pointing that out to those who don't know & for reminding myself.

8)

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:21 pm
by Medicus Matt
Sygtrygg Athlunkard wrote: with the yellow coming from arsenic.
You can get yellow (and purple) dye from ochres too.

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:37 pm
by Sygtrygg Athlunkard
Thanks all,

The more feedback I get the more confidence I have to do another, as for sliders, I purchased another from Mercia Sveiter, but the chap declared that it goes on the outside ! ?

On the 'Myarmory' forum it also display's this to a fashion, so I will try with the next project to conceal the slide and see how that works out !

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=12131

Syg

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:15 pm
by Medicus Matt
Sygtrygg Athlunkard wrote:
On the 'Myarmory' forum it also display's this to a fashion, so I will try with the next project to conceal the slide and see how that works out !
You just fix the slide to the wooden core before you put the leather over the top and then slit the leather either side to allow the belt through.

This does rather assume that you're making your scabbards with a wooden core, rather than just being all leather. Can't tell from the pictures?

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:11 am
by WorkMonkey
Why were some sliders decorated then? Rather than being just plain shaped pieces of metal if they're just going to be hidden?

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:14 am
by Medicus Matt
Which ones? Point me at a post 8th century decorated slider.

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:06 pm
by WorkMonkey
Post 8th nope, I was thinking of the romany ones that look like dolphins.

Why change? I spose it's all in line with the general post christian tarting down? But you still get decorated mouths and chapes don't you? So why hide all the sliders?

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:27 pm
by Medicus Matt
WorkMonkey wrote:Post 8th nope, I was thinking of the romany ones that look like dolphins.

Why change? I spose it's all in line with the general post christian tarting down? But you still get decorated mouths and chapes don't you? So why hide all the sliders?
Silly Monkeyboy, RTFT. :wink:

Mouths certainly, although they disappear as you get into late 10th. Chapes tend towards plain as you go on too.

Slider under leather is more secure when you use single point suspension and doesn't require all that lashing down that earlier ones do.
Makes it easier to replace the leather too, which is the bit that seems to get damaged and replaced most often.

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:15 pm
by WorkMonkey
Ah yeah of couse, i spose trying to get the leather to go under the slider and secure the slider to the wood would be a complete ass to do. figures. whats rtft?

edit. god bless urban dictionary

edit edit. that wasn't really explained earlier in the thread though.

edit edit edit. Sutton hoo at the weekend?

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:30 pm
by Medicus Matt
WorkMonkey wrote:Ah yeah of couse, i spose trying to get the leather to go under the slider and secure the slider to the wood would be a complete ass to do. figures.
It's not a problem to mount it in the first place but it does rely on the binding around the slide to hold it tight, along with any glue you use to stick it to the the leather. I've found that when I make migration era scabbards, the best thing to use is wet sinew as it tightens up nicely as it dries.
Putting the slider under the leather makes it more secure.


WorkMonkey wrote:Sutton hoo at the weekend?
'Fraid not. :(

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:33 pm
by WorkMonkey
Old Sarum? Witby? Quick before the BVM find us and shoo us into Pm's!

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:41 pm
by Medicus Matt
WorkMonkey wrote:Old Sarum? Witby? Quick before the BVM find us and shoo us into Pm's!
Old Sarum definately...

Along with quite a lot of old ERA by the sound of it. 8)