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Derby March (1745 Jacobite event) 2/3 December

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:58 am
by Tod
Hi
here is the latest info for the week end please pass it on. The event is on 2/3 December and is organised by the Charles Edward Stuart Society (CESS), with support form Lace Wars.

Safety Officers: Victor James, John "George" Szestowicki.
Powder Officers: Gary Bate - Jacobite. Victor James - Government.

Musketry - Tod Booth, Swordsmanship Dale Yates.

Saturday 2nd Dec.
11.30am Powder issue at the Crewe and Harper Public house at Swarkstone. NOT the BONNIE PRINCE PUB AS LAST YEAR.

12 Jacobite Living history camp open (in pub beer garden). Heckling from Govt. troops from across the river.
12.30 Govt troops start firing upon the Jacobite camp and the Jacobites retreat to the pub car park.
12.45 Jacobites march round following the usaul route back to the beer garden.
13.00 Jacobites attach Govt forces and retake the camp.
13.15 Wreath laying ceremony

18.00 Officers and group reps meeting on the Cathedral Green, Derby. At the Bonnie Prince statue (note I'm trying to get this changed to be at the Crewe and Harper as both Nick Pennock and I will be there that evening).

Sunday 3rd December

11.00 Govt troops form up in Market Place, preparation and drill display.
11.15 Govt powder issue.
11.30 Jacobites form up at the Wilmot Street car park in Derby (to find this go past the hospital on your left as you go into Derby city centre, go left at the roundabout, right at the next one, then take the next left - I think!).
12.00 Jacobites march from Wilmot Street
12.15 Jacobites near the George pub (now called Jorrocks), Govt troops retire to Cathedral Green. Jacobite cameo at George pub.
Jacobites then march off to Cathedral Green,
12.30 Skirmish, NOTE GOVERNMENT TROOPS WIN.
12.45 Both groups form up and perform gun salute to crowd. This is followed by the wreath laying at the Bonnie Prince statue.
13.00 Service of commemoration at Derby Cathedral, this is only a short service and every one is welcome.

Event finishes every one is welcome back at the George (Jorrocks) pub for soup bread cheese and beer.

Notes
There is FEE accommodation at St Peters Church Hall in Derby, you get a free breakfast and its warm and dry. Let me know ASAP if you want to stay there, its open from 5.30pm Friday.

Important if you are not fully trained in the use of weapons with a recognised re-enactment group you are NOT to take part in any of the battles. If you see any one who looks like they don't know what they are doing tell a safety officer immediately. Safety is the watch word!

I am commanding the Jacobites and I assume Nick Pennock will command the Redcoats, the latter is to be confirmed.

Any questions let me know.

Tod Booth
Chairman
Lace Wars

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:20 pm
by Mark P.
Note
Tod confirmed this should say

There is FREE accommodation at St Peters Church Hall in Derby

MP

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:56 am
by Mark P.
Right Derby done, I think we can say the 2006 season is now over.
Government forces formed a creditable mixed unit from detachments of the 13th, 36th and 47th Foote along with the 10th dragoons and some Derby Blues. The Redcoats mounted a stubborn defence of the Crewe and Harpur on Saturday but were finally forced out by the bar staff just after closing time. Apparently Saturday night was fraught with howling gales but as I had partaken of several pints of sleeping draught I was not disturbed in my room.
Sunday morning was clear and we drew quite a large crowd in the market square, we also attracted a smartly dressed but clearly mad jacobite heckler. We moved off to the Cathedral Green for the final showdown of the year with the jacobites which ended with a redcoat victory as per the script, no room for improvisation here.
Thanks to CESS for organising a fun even and to Tod for marshalling the Jacobites.

MP

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:13 pm
by Tod
I have to agree with Mark. It was an excellent week end. The Jacobites:
Pickerings from the SK
Glenbuckets
Locharber
Stewarts of Appin (Lace Wars)
Col John Roy Stewarts (Lace Wars)
New France Old England
Charles Edward Stuart Society (the organisors)
And a mixture of all sorts of other people.

The performance was great, I think we all had a great time, every one followed orders to the letter, which when you consider how many groups were there who only do this once a year is a credit to them.
Costume was of a pretty good standard, this is a anniversary event rather than a true re-enactment.

The Redcoats seeme to be breeding, although after the amount of booze the 13th drank on Saturday it's unlikely they will continue for long :wink:

I know I was asked over the week end about how some one goes about joining Lace Wars, if that was you or you're interested in what we do drop me a mail or PM.

Thanks to the Charles Edward Stuart Society for organising the week end, and to grape growers world wide for the wine on Saturday night.

Tod Booth - proud commander of the Jacobite forces.

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:10 pm
by Jenn
CESS would all like to say thank you to Mark and Tod and all the re-enactors who came out at the weekend, the pipe band, whoever arranged the weather and everyone else who helped at the weekend.
Despite what it says this is Vic James (not Jenn)

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:23 am
by Mad Mab
Just to say thank you to all the organisers. Those of us who made it down from edinburgh had a cracking time. :D
mab

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:00 pm
by Steve of RaT
Best one for years 8) . Kit standards have improved considerably over the years. And the gun worked first time every time except the last volley at the end on Sunday.

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:08 pm
by bonnieprincecharlie
Yes, agree with all that BPC weekend was a great success, and I echo all those who have issued thanks etc.

Best wishes all,

Arran (BPC)

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:34 pm
by Alan_F
Does anyone do the earlier (1715) rebellion? It sounds pretty interesting to me and would seem a missed opportunity if no-one's doing it.

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:03 pm
by Mark P.
Don't think anyone does 1715 as their main period, you could put Orkney's Regt and RaT in a field together perhaps.
I think it would take a sponser with an event to get the '15 kick started as a re-enacment period.
8 years till the 300th anniversary comes around.
Know anyone who works for the council in Preston?

MP

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:13 pm
by Wim-Jaap
Are there any pic's online of the derby march event?

Greenthings Wim-Jaap

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:41 pm
by m300572
Know anyone who works for the council in Preston?
I could find out but they weren't particularly interested in a 350th for the Civil War battle and the 1715 battle is almost completely unrepresented in the local museum - the only interpretation is by the Lancashire County Archaeology Service 'Walkpast' programme which has ahas a guided walk around the battle site (city centre of Preston basically) for the last three years - I know this as its me who leads the walk.

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:37 pm
by Mark P.
Don't these people know that nothing boosts a towns image like a pitched battle in the high street on a saturday afternoon?

MP

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:46 pm
by steve stanley
That theory's done wonders for football grounds & BNP marches.....
Steve

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:45 pm
by bonnieprincecharlie
Wim-Jaap wrote:Are there any pic's online of the derby march event?

Greenthings Wim-Jaap

If you go to the website of the Battle of Prestonpans Trust, they have some good pics.

http://www.battleofprestonpans1745.org/ ... newsid=545

http://www.battleofprestonpans1745.org/ ... newsid=548

Best wishes,

Arran (Bonnie Prince Charlie)

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:36 am
by Andy R
Mark P. wrote:Don't think anyone does 1715 as their main period, you could put Orkney's Regt and RaT in a field together perhaps.
I think it would take a sponser with an event to get the '15 kick started as a re-enacment period.
8 years till the 300th anniversary comes around.
Know anyone who works for the council in Preston?

MP
There's also the Foot Guards from the SK.

They have about 60 or so fuly kitted red coats for the late c17th and they have also talked about buying additional kit to sort them selves for the early c18th (gaiters, cartouches and the like)

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:19 pm
by m300572
Don't these people know that nothing boosts a towns image like a pitched battle in the high street on a saturday afternoon?
Apparently not but I will make approaches - nothing like a cannon firing up the high street to set off every shop burglar alarm for half a mile or so. Worked a treat in Hull a few years back. Tends to srtes the local plods when you seal of the pavements with a moving tape barrier (people holding the tape and moving up with the action - conversation ran a bit like this: Plod "YOu can't block of the strret like that" Tape holder 2 If anyone crosses in front of the cannon they could get hurt" Plod "What cannon" Tape holder"That one that the gun crew are loading just now" Plod (with a look of shock and horror) "OK then, you'd better keep the tape there!"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:34 pm
by Alan_F
Mark P. wrote:Don't think anyone does 1715 as their main period, you could put Orkney's Regt and RaT in a field together perhaps.
I think it would take a sponser with an event to get the '15 kick started as a re-enacment period.
8 years till the 300th anniversary comes around.
Know anyone who works for the council in Preston?

MP
I do know the person who owns Sheriffmuir.