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Seeking the English Militia

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Following on from Tod's post and excluding the '45 has anyone got any historical examples of the role played by mid C18th english militia before 1756.
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How much before 1756?
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Abitrarily say after the '15 and before the '45.

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If you are a bit less arbitrary, the Lancashire Militia played a role in the Battle of Preston in 1715 - they were used as a 'stop line' along the River Ribble, south of the town.

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I have a sneaky feeling that "English Militia" is a bit of a reenactorism to let those with civvie kit play...fine in the colonies,but I have a feeling they were pretty much a nominal set-up prior to the panic of the '45...that's why you get the regulars being used for Law Enforcement.
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Greetings all,

According to various sources I found there was a statutory existence for the militia in england from 1648-1735 and then again 1757-1831, although a few militia regiments claim existence during the 'breaks'.

The Hampshire Militia (for instance) was formed in the 1544, split during the 1600's into the North and South Hampshire Militia and their records are held at the Royal Hampshire Regiment Museum and Southampton University- RHR has a record of service for the South Hampshire Militia.(does not include anything to do with North Britain as far as I know!)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/
and do a corporate search for militia will throw up some good primary sources.

also:

http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/lists/mvcxeng.htm
index of militia and volunteers-mostly post 1757

http://www.bopcris.ac.uk/bop1700/browse/1030.html
parliamentary papers relating to militia-including militia bills/acts

http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaidhlig/corpu ... _macaoidh/
account of an incident with the Sutherland militia in 1746 (in Gaelic)
which may be the incident concerning the kidnapping of the Earl Of Cromarty by the Sutherland Militia at Dunrobin just before Culloden (but that's a Scottish Militia regiment so not exactly what you were looking for?

Hope that helps,

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Greetings all,

According to various sources I found there was a statutory existence for the militia in england from 1648-1735 and then again 1757-1831, although a few militia regiments claim existence during the 'breaks'.

The Hampshire Militia (for instance) was formed in the 1544, split during the 1600's into the North and South Hampshire Militia and their records are held at the Royal Hampshire Regiment Museum and Southampton University- RHR has a record of service for the South Hampshire Militia.(does not include anything to do with North Britain as far as I know!)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/
and do a corporate search for militia will throw up some good primary sources.

also:

http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/lists/mvcxeng.htm
index of militia and volunteers-mostly post 1757

http://www.bopcris.ac.uk/bop1700/browse/1030.html
parliamentary papers relating to militia-including militia bills/acts

http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaidhlig/corpu ... _macaoidh/
account of an incident with the Sutherland militia in 1746 (in Gaelic)
which may be the incident concerning the kidnapping of the Earl Of Cromarty by the Sutherland Militia at Dunrobin just before Culloden (but that's a Scottish Militia regiment so not exactly what you were looking for?

Hope that helps,

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Hey, not bad for a first post, I managed to repeat myself :cry: Sorry, many apologies, ha mi duilich etc.

I have also found referecne to a book:

J.R. Western, English Militia in the Eighteenth Century: The Story of a Political Issue 1660-1802 (Gregg Revivals, 1993)

which may be worth tracking down through interlibrary loan?

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Thanks for the links I checked out the dates on the online sources and there still doesn't seem to be anything for the 10 years either side of the 1745.
I guess militia re-enactment should ould only really be done in connection with the '45 for this narrow mid C18th period.
As to what the english militia might have actually done in the '45 can anyone add to the following:

1) surrender carlisle castle (cumberland and westmorland militia)

2) hand in arms for safe keeping (lancashire militia)

3) force english catholics to promise to be good.

4) confiscate the arms and horses of english catholics just to be on the safe side.

5)??

Does anyone know if the militia were supposed to operate outside of their county?

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I don't know if they were organised militia or not....but there were attacks mounted on the Jacobites as they retreated from Derby..might just be Pi**ed off locals...
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Mark, have you seen this?

http://galenet.galegroup.com/servlet/EC ... n=50&d5=d6

A 1701 esay on the usefullness of English militia

http://galenet.galegroup.com/servlet/EC ... n=50&d5=d6

Militia commands, 1717

[urlhttp://galenet.galegroup.com/servlet/ECCO?dd=0&locID=nlw2006&d1=0164201300&srchtp=b&SU=All&c=115&d2=1&docNum=CW3304891472&b0=militia&h2=1&vrsn=1.0&l0=1660-1740&b1=KE&d6=1&ste=10&dc=tiPG&d4=0.33&stp=Author&n=50&d5=d6[/url]

"The Militia Man" 1740
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Thanks, I'm starting to lose track already of what I've seen and not seen and I dont know how long its going to take me to get around to reading all this stuff!


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A quick read has provided the following info:
Militia Rules 1740
1 General muster and upto 4 musters for single companies per year for training.
Requirements for the types of arms and ammunition to be provided.
Militia Law 1718
In case of insurrection, invasion or rebellion the milita may serve outside their counties.

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