Late 17th c groups

Alan_F · Post by **Alan_F** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:44 pm

Are there any groups covering the later part of the 17th century in the UK? I'm interested in the later Covenanters and the pitchfork rebellion, anyone doing these periods?

steve stanley · Post by **steve stanley** » Mon May 11, 2009 4:37 am

I think there's a SK spin-off doing 1685 if it outlasted the anniversary events.........
Steve

John Waller · Post by **John Waller** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:49 am

I think Kirke's Lambs went tit's up but the SK do the First Foot Guards and a couple of other units from 1685. The Guards do look very good.

History Re-enactment Workshop cover the period as well but only living history not battles.

steve stanley · Post by **steve stanley** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:26 pm

And purely for my own interest,I've got a 1675 Church's rangers oufit for King Philip's War.........I know,Saddo Extremus!
Steve

Alan_F · Post by **Alan_F** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:06 pm

So I take it this is one of those areas with little being done in it then?

Foxe · Post by **Foxe** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:40 pm

Bonaventure do some maritime stuff from the late 17thC, and 17thCentury Life and Times I know do 1670s.

But yes, it's a much under-done period.

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:36 am

Hi Alan,

Some of Frasers and O'Cahan's have Dumbarton's kit as well (fdrom the SK's Monmouth events) and are planning on doing some stuff up in Scotland in the coming years - Dunkeld and Killiekrankie were talked about at any rate.

m300572 · Post by **m300572** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:47 pm

Loudoun's still have some 1680's Cameronian's kit lurking somewhere - we haven't had much chance to use it of late.

lidimy · Post by **lidimy** » Tue May 12, 2009 4:07 pm

Foxe wrote:Bonaventure do some maritime stuff from the late 17thC, and 17thCentury Life and Times I know do 1670s.

But yes, it's a much under-done period.

Such a shame.

The ladies' kit is -awesome-.

The Meenister · Post by **The Meenister** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:06 pm

I'm very interested in this period, I've got later 17th century lowland kit, Dumbartons uniform and I've been trying to get a renactment of Dunkeld going.
Its a much neglected period.

Foxe · Post by **Foxe** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:22 am

Yar. Billy Orange landed almost literally on my doorstep (about 30 yards from my door) and the French landed a force at Teignmouth a dozen or so miles away in 1692, but there just isn't the scope for exploiting those events

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:35 am

The Meenister wrote:I'm very interested in this period, I've got later 17th century lowland kit, Dumbartons uniform and I've been trying to get a renactment of Dunkeld going.
Its a much neglected period.

So don't forget if you are going to Loseley that their is a 1685 battle going on over two days there. I keep meaning to drop Lindsay and Willie a line.

Alan_F · Post by **Alan_F** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:49 pm

The Meenister wrote:I'm very interested in this period, I've got later 17th century lowland kit, Dumbartons uniform and I've been trying to get a renactment of Dunkeld going.
Its a much neglected period.

I've been reading up on it (largely because of a new wargame I've got that's set in the period) and I've got admit that I'd really like to do it, possibly as a covenanter.

Alan_F · Post by **Alan_F** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:49 pm

Andy R wrote:
The Meenister wrote:I'm very interested in this period, I've got later 17th century lowland kit, Dumbartons uniform and I've been trying to get a renactment of Dunkeld going.
Its a much neglected period.
So don't forget if you are going to Loseley that their is a 1685 battle going on over two days there. I keep meaning to drop Lindsay and Willie a line.

When, where and who?

rich25034328 · Post by **rich25034328** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:12 pm

I'm very interested in this period and have a couple of interested mates, please bear me in mind if anything concrete in this period goes ahead.

Thanks

Richie

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:45 am

Alan_F wrote:When?

Late May BH

Alan_F wrote:where?

Loseley House, just south of Guildford

Alan_F wrote:who?

Your bestest mates, the SKnot

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:49 am

Alan_F wrote:I've been reading up on it (largely because of a new wargame I've got that's set in the period) and I've got admit that I'd really like to do it, possibly as a covenanter.

Have you seen Maerk Copplestones new range?

I picked up a few packs at Salute, and they are very nice.

http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/ra ... ?range=GOS

The French pikeman in classical armour are particularly fine

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:57 am

It's also worth pointing out that international events have been going on for the WSS battles.

Malplaquet is on this year (1709 - 2009), Almansa (Spain) was on last month, Oudenarde is to be repeated.

These events are generally open to uniform from the last quarter of the 17th century to about 1715.

Neil Johnston · Post by **Neil Johnston** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:00 am

Me too, me too
I have plenty of covenant civilian and highland kit for late 17thC but not much for the Cameronian/Redcoat side of things. The last time we wore that kit was the Real Tartan Army filming for Loudouns at Douglas in 2002.

http://www.scotwars.com/gallery/Film%20 ... s/0394.htm

The SK regiments that do this period look pretty damned good to my untrained eye and are among the best in the society. Don't know if you can join without being in the SK though.

This could also be an interesting period to portray in the run up to the 300th anniversary of the '15 and an antidote to all the Waterloo stuff that'll be going on then........eh Andy???

Cheers
Neil

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:11 am

Neil Johnston wrote: an antidote to all the Waterloo stuff that'll be going on then........eh Andy???

Cheers
Neil

It will be fab - and a complete *rse ache competing against the world and their wife to get the horses for the event.

This year is proving enough of an issue

m300572 · Post by **m300572** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:53 pm

This could also be an interesting period to portray in the run up to the 300th anniversary of the '15 and an antidote to all the Waterloo stuff that'll be going on then........eh Andy???

Battle of Preston - the main drag and market place would be ideal for a "street fight" event!

Alan_F · Post by **Alan_F** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:14 pm

Andy R wrote:
Alan_F wrote:I've been reading up on it (largely because of a new wargame I've got that's set in the period) and I've got admit that I'd really like to do it, possibly as a covenanter.
Have you seen Maerk Copplestones new range?

I picked up a few packs at Salute, and they are very nice.

http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/ra ... ?range=GOS

The French pikeman in classical armour are particularly fine

Will have a look at those later, in the meantime I'm playing with the 28mm lot from these nice chaps http://www.underbed.co.uk/

Chris T · Post by **Chris T** » Mon May 18, 2009 10:49 pm

There are a number of SK regiments which have a dual identity as Monmouth Regiments, but this is within the SK, so you do need to be a member.

Temporary membership is available for a single event.

Alan_F · Post by **Alan_F** » Tue May 19, 2009 1:15 am

Chris T wrote:There are a number of SK regiments which have a dual identity as Monmouth Regiments, but this is within the SK, so you do need to be a member.

Temporary membership is available for a single event.

Which units?

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Tue May 19, 2009 8:14 am

Alan_F wrote:
Chris T wrote:There are a number of SK regiments which have a dual identity as Monmouth Regiments, but this is within the SK, so you do need to be a member.

Temporary membership is available for a single event.
Which units?

The key units involved on any scale

Prince Rupert's (primarily) 1st Foot Guards
Frasers/O'Cahan's/Tilliers Dumbartons
Slannings/Grenvilles Kirk's Lambs
Wallers Horse Oxford Blues

Godolphins The Red Regiment (Monmouth's key unit)
Tilliers Generic non uniformed rebels

Alan_F · Post by **Alan_F** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:44 pm

Weren't these some Irish groups doing this period?

steve stanley · Post by **steve stanley** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:16 pm

Yes,I've seen picture of a Boyne event.....Urban myth said they couldn't actually fight for PC reasons...just L/H.........

Alan_F · Post by **Alan_F** » Tue May 19, 2009 8:07 pm

steve stanley wrote:Yes,I've seen picture of a Boyne event.....Urban myth said they couldn't actually fight for PC reasons...just L/H.........

There was a story about them in a copy of Skirmish, but, sadly, putting "Boyne" and "re-enactment" gets you all sorts of dodgy political groups.

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:22 am

Some info here
http://www.nidragoons.org/

Alan_F · Post by **Alan_F** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:56 pm

Andy R wrote:Some info here
http://www.nidragoons.org/