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Felt hats....

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:14 pm
by Dathi
I've always been of the belief that wool felt hats were a more 17th century thing, then I reread this that I collected some time ago.

"Cost of an ordinary suit, 2l. 9s. 2d. (doublet 8s. 6d., cassock 14s. 11d., 1 pair venetians 8s., hat cap 1s. 4d.,
3 pairs cloth stockings 3s. 9d., 4 pairs shoes 6s. 8d., 2 shirts and bands 6s.). Cost of a gentleman's suit, 3l.
10s. (fustian doublet 1l., laced cassock 1l. 7s. 6d., 1 pair venetians 14s. 6d., 1 pair worsted stockings 8s.).

Summer:—4,265 ordinary suits, cost 7,108l. 6s. 8d., and 425 gentlemen's suits, cost 903l. 2s. 6d.: in all,
8,011l. 9s. 2d. Cost of an ordinary suit, 1l. 13s. 4d. (doublet 8s. 6d., 1 pair venetians 8s., felt hat 3s. 4d.,
2 pairs cloth stockings 2s. 6d., 3 pairs shoes 5s., 2 shirts and bands 6s.). Cost of a gentleman's suit, 2l.
2s. 6d. (fustian doublet 1l., 1 pair venetians 14s. 6d., 1 pair worsted stockings 8s.).

This is dated June 1589 and is a break down of the cost of the suits issued to English soldiers in the Low Countries. Notice the felt hat issued in summer at 3s 4d and the hate cap issued in winter at 1s 4d. I'm pretty comfortable with the idea that the hat cap is a version of the brimmed monmouth cap seen in the 17th century, althrough if anyone else has any other ideas please do say. However. A felt hat ? It's not beaver as 3s 4d is a little below what I'd expect, based on 17th century prices and I just can't see the Crown coughing up for beaver fur felt hats for about 5,000 men. I feel that this may be similar to the small brimmed high crowned hats shown on the Lant Roll on the London Trained Band

Anyone got any ideas ?

Re: Felt hats....

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:23 pm
by sally
There are felt hats known for most periods of history, there are several felt fragments from medieval London deposits bleieved to be from hats, and there is also this rather jolly one from c1350 http://www.concealedgarments.org/cache/28593/ By the late 16thC like your account felt hats are probably widespread through most areas I would imagine. This one is about the right daterange for you, though is a workmans style http://www.museumoflondonprints.com/ima ... th-century

Re: Felt hats....

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:11 pm
by Dathi
Sally. I'm guessing it's wool felt and is, as I assumed, a high crown, small brim knd of thing ?

Re: Felt hats....

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:00 pm
by nick19thind
Image
Woodcut of John Foxe dating to the 1580s

Re: Felt hats....

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:53 pm
by Dathi
I just remembered these prints http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/ ... eland.html

Now, they contain a bit of artistic licence, in that the English Army in Ireland never looked that neat and I've yet to see a reference to Light Horse being levied in England in mail shirts and nobody bothered wearing armour they didn't have to so morrions on shot went in the dump, along with most of the armour on the pike. BUT

There are these rather natty little numbers on a few heads http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/ ... 58_jpg.htm

These look like good examples of felt hats in various forms.

Any thoughts ?

Re: Felt hats....

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 8:24 pm
by sally
That John Foxe one, in my opinion, shows a knitted then fulled/felted hat. There are a number of versions of this illustration and some look even more knitted than this one

Re: Felt hats....

Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:44 pm
by Dathi
A hat cap then....? or hatte cappe as they put it...

Re: Felt hats....

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 6:44 am
by hobbitomm
Dathi wrote:I just remembered these prints http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/ ... eland.html

Now, they contain a bit of artistic licence, in that the English Army in Ireland never looked that neat and I've yet to see a reference to Light Horse being levied in England in mail shirts and nobody bothered wearing armour they didn't have to so morrions on shot went in the dump, along with most of the armour on the pike. BUT

There are these rather natty little numbers on a few heads http://www.lib.ed.ac.uk/about/bgallery/ ... 58_jpg.htm

These look like good examples of felt hats in various forms.

Any thoughts ?

I think somewhere I've seen a reference to English Border Horse as being armed and equipped like a Stradiot. Which does mean Maile.

Can't place where, I'm afraid.


Tom