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Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:52 pm
by Phoenix Rising
A question came up recently with regard to money in the Hundred Years War / Wars of the Roses Eras (ie, having some to and for showing to the public), the question being how heavy were the coins such as pence etc and what were they made of?

Not sure myself, but have some very light coins (silver metal) knocking about - would these be authentic for these periods in terms of weight and appearance (the stamp on the coins is supposed to be Edward IV's but in truth could be anyone's as the coins are small, approx the size of a modern penny or perhaps a touch larger?

Re: Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:27 am
by davetmoneyer
My ball I think,
All coins in the UK at this time were either Sterling silver .925 ( Groat 4d, Halfgroat 2d penny halfpenny and farthing ) or Fine (23carat) gold Noble 6s8d, Half Noble 3s4d and Quarter Noble 1s8d- pre 1464 and Ryal 10/- half Ryal 5/- and quarter Ryal 2s6d to 1470 and Angel 6/8d and half Angel 3/4d post 1470.
the weights of the penny reduces over the period 1279 through to 1483 from 22.2 grains down to 12grains (1 grain = 0.648 grammes ) Gold coins were also reduced in weight ( the majority of the population dealt in silver gold coins being to valuable for everyday transactions. As late as 1485 there were still coins from the reign of Edward I (1272 - 1307) circulating in large quantities along with those of all the monarchs from Edward I through to Richard III

Re: Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:00 pm
by Phoenix Rising
Thanks for that, Dave, much obliged to you sir. I owe thee a pint! :)

Re: Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:42 pm
by Colin Middleton
davetmoneyer wrote:As late as 1485 there were still coins from the reign of Edward I (1272 - 1307) circulating in large quantities along with those of all the monarchs from Edward I through to Richard III


Which answers the question that I was about to ask (about the Edward IV half-angel on the Mary Rose).

Have you any plans to do a Half-Angel coin Dave?

Re: Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:47 pm
by davetmoneyer
Hi yes why not, hope to have it ready for ILHF

Re: Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:33 pm
by Colin Middleton
I'd better start saving my pennies then!

40 of them to a half-angel isn't it? :D

Colin

Re: Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:53 pm
by Colin Middleton
While we're on the subject of coins, I was in the British Museum the other weekend and noticed that they had a hoard of big gold coins in their Medieval Gallery. IIRC they were 14th or 15th Century and English, but were much larger than the angels that Dave sells. Does anyone have any guesses what they might have been?

Ah!, scratch that, I just found the link describing them! :$ http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/cm/t/the_fishpool_hoard.aspx

What is the value of a Noble to justify such large coins?

Re: Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:38 pm
by davetmoneyer
Hi one third of a pound or half a mark 6 shillings and 8 pence and yes they are large, I now do a Noble albeit of Henry V and that is approx. 32mm diam and is a pig to strike available in gilt pewter at £3 ( THANKS FOR THE OPENING FOR BLATENT PLUG COLIN)

Re: Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:46 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
I'll have to get one of them.

Re: Weight and composition of coin

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:07 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
Thanks Dave and it is a beauty. I can see why they were given to visiting dignitaries and never expected to be used in general circulation. A very impressive coin. Just the thing to finance the next mercenary army that I will use to gain the throne.