Help IDing a shield

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Help IDing a shield

Postby Graham Ashford » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:26 am

Hello all

I've been watching some of the Russian clips of their fighting online and as well as making me grateful that we all get along now and things never went south back in the late 80's meaning I might have had to actually fight these guys through Europe :shock: I have become curious about the shield that a few of the guys are using and wondered what it is based on?

About 19 seconds in you get a good view of the shield I mean. It's the white one that is upside down with the 3 T's on it. It is sat firmly on his forearm.

The clip can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-5-9JM5 ... ure=relmfu

Is this an Eastern European/Russian shield defence, I'm not familiar with it but most of my sources are English or Western European. The best guess so far is that its likely only seen on a few Victorian images rather than the real thing, but I am hopeful it might be based on provenence, but its getting skimmer by the moment :(

Thanks for any help you can offer.
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Re: Help IDing a shield

Postby Thomas Hayman » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:21 pm

Your link is dead apparently!


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Postby Brian la Zouche » Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:33 am

link works ok for me



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Re: Help IDing a shield

Postby Michal » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:05 am

Hi,

This is what I got so far : http://localhostr.com/file/UFAZ0nC/2.JPG
picture is out of book: "Arms and armour in the medieval Teutonic order’s state in Prussia" by A. Nowakowski. Königsberg is nowadays Kaliningrad RU.
I will post picture of actual fresco as soon as I will find it.

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Re: Help IDing a shield

Postby Michal » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:18 pm

Hi,
still no joy. I hope I will get some info soon as I am going to meet some BoN involved guys.
Meanwhile I have shield related question myself.
Does anyone know if these heart shaped shields are somehow related to the story?
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/bible-historiale-part-1-francais-152/1214/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/bible-historiale-part-1-francais-152/1204/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/bible-historiale-part-1-francais-152/1207/
Bible Historiale from where these illuminations come may incorporate histories from pagan history and mythology.

There is also a similar one on this effigy http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments/willem_wenemaer/

I find them vary dandy and would love to get one for courtly tournaments. Just wonder if it is not an attribute of a certain historical person/hero or perhaps it is symbolic?


I have just stumbled across another example:
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This are The Nine Worthies. The one depicted with heart shaped shield being Julius Ceasar.
Was this shape regarded mythological or ancient? Or was it simply uncommon?
Mike



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Re: Help IDing a shield

Postby Brother Ranulf » Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:01 pm

The heart-shaped adarga (al-daraqa) shield of layers of hardened animal hides was used by Moorish cavalry and introduced to Spain in the late 12th century.

As was often the case, Christian Spanish troops gradually adopted the same heart-shaped design and the name (in the form adarga); in the 14th and 15th centuries Spanish light cavalry were commonly using it but in wood rather than leather. Apparently some went with the Conquistadors into Peru and Mexico. Among the Spanish the adarga became associated with nobility or the "Don" class and many surviving examples from the post-medieval period are elaborately decorated.

The symbolism in the painting can only be guessed at, but perhaps "old and foreign" are the underlying meanings.


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