Earl of Salisbury in 1460

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Earl of Salisbury in 1460

Postby Colin Middleton » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:55 pm

Does anyone know what the livery for Richard Neville, 5th Earl of Salisbury(Kingmaker's father) used in the 1450-60s?

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Re: Earl of Salisbury in 1460

Postby Captain Reech » Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:24 pm

http://www.red1st.com/axholme/getperson ... ee=Axholme

The above site has this:

◦From St. John Hope's "Garter Stall Plates", plate LV, pub 1901:

Arms: Quarterly:
1 & 4 Silver three fusils in fess gules (Montacute quartering Gold an eagle vert (Monthermer)
2 & 3: Gules a saltire silver and a label gobony of silver and sable (Neville).

Crest: A griffin with wings displayed sitting in a crown gold.

No mention of livery yet....I'll keep looking.


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Re: Earl of Salisbury in 1460

Postby Allan Harley » Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:23 pm

My recollection is Red and black witha gold wyvern - but will try to confirm


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Re: Earl of Salisbury in 1460

Postby Ghost » Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:41 am

indeed red over black, gold griffin, motto Ne Vile Velis


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Re: Earl of Salisbury in 1460

Postby Man from Coventry » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:30 pm

Red & Black, a griffin sejant (Standards & Livery Badges of the Wars of the Roses, Pat Mc Gill)

Red & Black, badges variously as follows (Heraldic Badges of England and Wales, Michael Powell Siddons, 2009 - Vol 2.1 - Ghost - I have Vol 2 of your Xmas present on Loan from the British Library, I couldn't afford the second mortgage necessary to buy it. )
- an eagle, colour not stated, Salisbury is referred to as the eagle in a political ballad of 1450.
- an eagle wings displayed, vert (green)
- a griffin sejant (sitting), or (gold)

A Gold eagle or Gold Griffin would follows heraldic rules (i.e an metal on a ticture,(colour)) better, though these were not invariably followed at this tine


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