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Re: Tent choices

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:16 am
by randallmoffett
Not the one I had in mind but here is a fresco for the Palazzo Pubblico, Siena from 1328. I have seen German examples before but never seen this one until recently.

Medieval Shelters

Randall

Re: Tent choices

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:26 am
by Langley
I still think it would be good to have at least a few "rough and ready" shelters at events. I think there is a hurdle making course at the Chiltern Open Air Museum. I might see if I can do that and pack a few hurdles and stuff to cover. Can't promise actually to sleep in the thing though! I think anything which was done would have to be with material brought to site - at Berkley for example, the woods actually belong to someone else and he is known to disapprove of anyone wandering into them much less dragging bits away. Yes - many of the illustrations are European. In one I am thinking of there are apparently A-frame tent like structures covered with vegitation. There are also some large rectangular things but never sure if those are shelters (would be using hurdles if they are) or if they are just camped in a vinyard and what is shown are trained vines. We could at least show people what we think the common soldiery had to put up with whne the boss had a nice cosy monastery and his lieutenants had pavilions and burgundians. Soldiers tents of course refers to soldiers plural - we can point out that if they were lucky enough to have one it would be shared - just like a scount partol tent - and would not have any fancy furniture, just pallets if they were lucky.

Re: Tent choices

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:46 pm
by gregory23b
That Simone Martini picture is a classic, showing huge and small tents/shelters.

May I suggest Artists and Warfare in the Renaissance, JR Hale, Yale press. Loads of images of soldiers on campaign and sheltered.

Re: Tent choices

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:37 am
by Jim Smith
For the Op - this is an example of the sort of shelter people have been mentioning. This one belongs to our group carpenter. As for having more soldiers' shelters, yes it would be nice but ultimately I can't see it happening on a wide scale. The re-enactment camp is a mass of compromises at the best of times - it is basically a tented village. To a certain extent it has to be that way, especially if we want to have women and children present. It's a medieval backdrop. Someone on another thread has posted words to the effect that most medieval re-enactment groups are littile more than costumed medievalesque camping clubs. A cheap and rather sarky gibe, but one with some truth in it. Thing is, a real WotR military camp would be a very boring place for the public to see - cos as those with any military experience will know you're either out on patrol, eating, cleaning weapons or sleeping. The group I'm in is mostly couples and now has three babies under twelve months, so shelters are frankly out of the question. That said, we are moving away from pavilions to campaign tents, soldiers tents and shelters for the craftspeople, so we're doing what we can.

Re: Tent choices

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:38 am
by Jim Smith
Here's the picture...

Re: Tent choices

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:00 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
I think that was my sarky comment, and I did more or less say exactly the same thing. A "real" medieval seige camp would be boring, dangerous and quite vile.

Re: Tent choices

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:41 pm
by Langley
gregory23b wrote:That Simone Martini picture is a classic, showing huge and small tents/shelters.

May I suggest Artists and Warfare in the Renaissance, JR Hale, Yale press. Loads of images of soldiers on campaign and sheltered.
You may suggest it Jorge but...

From Amazon.

Artists and Warfare in the Renaissance by Jr Hale (Hardcover - 7 Nov 1990)
2 new from £83.02 10 used from £48.66

Probably why I have not got it in my personal library (from which my son borrowed 5 titles when doing his history masters).
Lets see what InterLibrary Loan can manage!

Re: Tent choices

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:27 pm
by Jim Smith
Marcus Woodhouse wrote:I think that was my sarky comment, and I did more or less say exactly the same thing. A "real" medieval seige camp would be boring, dangerous and quite vile.
It honestly wasn't you Marcus - someone else entirely and on another thread.

Re: Tent choices

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:40 pm
by travisball7
I am not a huge fan of sleeping in tents, but these are very nice. I would love to take something like this camping, might get some weird looks in modern day.