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Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:05 pm
by Honourius III
Hi All
I was fortunate enough to attend a series of lectures on The Wars of the Roses called “Blood and Roses” at Christ College Oxford from 24 to 27 March.
There were many eminent and excellent speakers, one of which was ill and could not attend but his presentation was put on by Professor Anne Curry. The presentation was very good and full of facts. However she put up a picture of the Bird badge found on the Windmill hill site of the battlefield. If you remember this badge ownership was mooted on this Forum last year.

This Badge she attributed to John La Zouche.
Does anybody know about this man, if so could this be his badge?

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:51 am
by Elenna DeVargr
I'm studying the Derbyshire gentry during the Wars of the Roses and making the guidons (small standard) and badges that represented them. I do have information on Zouche and his standard and badges.

John Zouche, sone and heir of the Lord Zouche. Parted black and purpure; a silver eagle with a label, resting on the trunk of a tree raguly gold and sprouting. Sprinkled with eight asses heads silver, having golden halters and label.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff98 ... zouche.jpg

Badge 1. on a branch of a tree, sprouting vert an eagle rising argent gorged with a label of three points.
Badge 2. an asses head erased argent, halted or, charged with a label of three points.

It's difficult to tell by the piece if it was to do with Zouche as it seems very damaged.

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:15 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
It's mine. I thought I had dropped it behind the sofa. Thanks for picking it up.

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:47 pm
by Honourius III
You will have to fight Richard Mackindly for it at Bosworth then, he says its his.

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:51 pm
by Honourius III
Thanks Ellena
It looks a possible badge for John Zouche. So may be they are right.

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:30 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
Come to think of it that does look like the crap one I threw away because it didn't look quite right.

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:36 pm
by Attilla the Bun
Elenna DeVargr wrote: It's difficult to tell by the piece if it was to do with Zouche as it seems very damaged.
It's been very, very stripped
Battery acid, probably Image

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:53 pm
by KedlestonCraig
yes it's too damaged to make any kind of call and having seen it in the flesh, so to speak, it's also very small. Is it definitely an individual badge and not part of a larger piece?
Image
Elenna is a big authority on all things Derbyshire gentry - it ill be interesting to see her collection when it is done.

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:55 pm
by Ghost
well if you close one eye and squint it could be an eagle.....and we all know who used an eagle, that dastardly Lord Stanley

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:10 pm
by kate/bob
dastardly - surely you mean lovely?!

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:09 pm
by Brother Ranulf
In another thread (not sure where on here) I showed that this was definitely an eagle badge, which was often used as a rebus for people named John through the Christian association of the eagle and St John the evangelist.

Re: Badge found on Bosworth Battlefield

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:49 pm
by CraigofYork
it looks like the eagle has it's wings spread and is using it's beak to scratch it's back - as if the fellow making it was looking at an eagle as he cast the badge, but the eagle moved at the last minute