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your opinion on swords?

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:00 pm
by CraigofYork
i was thinking about swords....does anyone rate kasto or kovex for their swords?

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:29 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
There are some posts on this forum and in the general history forum about swords.
One is a question along your own lines regarding Kovex Arms.
I always advice people joining the group I do events with (a WOTR Fed member) that for the same price a s a decent quality sword you can buy two or three equally servicable polearms which will be of much more use to you in the long run.
As with any kit its best to if possible wait and buy the very best you can because it'll look and last longer (I won't say feel better because I've not yet found a re-enacment sword that moves like the real deal).

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:18 pm
by CraigofYork
sound advice, i'll have a look at the other thread - cheers marcus

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:19 am
by cloudy-cola-corp
sorry if you've found what your looking for. But the last two kovex blades my group have bought (in 2010) have been like playdough and they always seemed really over priced. I've had a kasto blade for a year now and know a couple more people with them, they are quite cheap mine was £140 for a hand and a half. but you need to hammer the edges gently for a while before you use it and then for the first 6 months(ish) just to work hardned them -thats what i found anyway- but thats just what i think. :)

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:36 pm
by KedlestonCraig
If you're set on a sword, save up some more and get something like an Armour Class or a Heron. The build quality is much better, they are closer reproductions and from a financial perspective they hold their value more, should you wish to sell further down the line.

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:27 pm
by CraigofYork
well the sword will be more part of the costume moreso than something i'd use on the field, i'm not thinking of ordering one in the very near future, but i do need to know which direction to go in terms of swords, i am also looking out for polearms - posh ones like poleaxes, glaives or an ahlspeiss - again information and advice at the moment.
ultimately what i intend to do is a man at arms impression - i have a nice "fitted" padded jack and plakart, but i be after the sallet i asked for advice about (the thread called - advice on kettle hat), a short sleeved maille shirt and standard, arm harness and gauntlets...with a tabard my group can provide
my civilian clothing is sorted, just luxuries on the shopping list now.
from what i gather though (back to swords now) it's worth saving up and getting the more expensive, i've seen a heron armouries messer that was being sold by phil fraser at colchester....drooled over it - but i am poor, so i then considered the possability of kovex etc

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:45 pm
by phil ainsley
our group has had kovex, armour class and heron swords. most of the lads use armour class now, the lifetime guarantee on the blade is worth it. we fight weekly all year round and we have sent 3 armourclass blades back for replacement having had about 4 years use out of them. the only kovex blade in the group wears easily as it is a bit on the soft side. i have a heron blade which i think may be a little too hard as when the blade wears it tends to chip rather than squish if you follow me. however, the blade itself hasnt failed like some of the armour class blades have. the grip on the heron blade is made from O rings of leather, looks pretty but now that one has been lost due to damage i have a slack cross guard. cant comment on any other decent manufacturers as we havent had any of their blades through our hands.

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:56 am
by gregory23b
Mark Vickers - St George's Armoury, excellent blades and not too far from real weight, he sells sharps and reenactment b;unts, real works of art, great value.


http://www.stgeorgearmouryshop.co.uk/index2.html

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:50 pm
by CraigofYork
when i've got the cash i was thinking he could do my arm harness and helmet....his swords are nice!

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:09 am
by Edmund the Marshal
When you are starting out always lots of things on the wish list. Most of our new members start out with eastern European swords. But we try to get the new guys to buy a good pair of fitted gantlets, boots and helm before getting weapons as most of us have more than one sword.

Apart from the first few years of re-enacting I’ve used Lancaster’s the are not cheap and can be heaver then some makers, but they last my 2-hander is 16 years old and will last for another 16 years. As a group do 30 training sessions over winter and then 12 shows per year, I’ve seen every sword makers blades break listed so far apart from Mark Vickers blades.


If you are thinking of going to be doing combat for a long period of time longevity is what you need and Roger will always have a look at any blade of his regardless of the age. He sorted my brothers hand a half and that was nearly 17 years old.


http://www.lancasters-armourie.co.uk/

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:41 pm
by Langley
I've been lucky enough to have had a chance to swing some real mediaeval blades at Wallace Collection (borrowed from Ewart Oakeshott for the occasion). Ever since, I have wanted one of Mark Vicker's. They feel right in a way none of the others manage to my mind. I don't do much fighting with my swords anymore - bus pass due the end of this week for one thing - but may still get one sometime purely for posing purposes as they also look spot on and I suspect I would never have fought one if I owned it in case of spoling it's beauty!

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:41 pm
by CraigofYork
hmmm i'm getting some pretty good ideas now - thanks guys!

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:01 pm
by wulfenganck
The second blunt I ever bought is a Kasto. It is okay, but nothing really matching the originals. They are a lot of manufacturers with better quality - both for authentic looks as well as for training. The steel is to soft, most of the models I had in hands were unbalanced, and they are not authentic.

I HATE, HATE, HATE Kovex. I find them ugly and very unbalanced. Those slo's have "I was a railway track" written all over it.

Mark Vickers has been mentioned.
I personally like the look and feel of Pavel Moc http://www.swords.cz/enindex.html or Radek Lobko http://www.swordcutler.com/index_en.php if it's about a tighter budget.
But there should be quite some more already mentioned in various threads.
Whatever, please stay away from Kasto and avoid Kovex as the devil avoids holy water!

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:45 pm
by CraigofYork
there some nice ones there - i like the talhoffer! i think - with the advice i have recieved, i shall stay away from kovex and kasto!

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:12 pm
by Nigel
Mark every time I love his work its jsut a bit too light for me personally

I also dont like Kovex and am planning a trip over to prague to look at others soon

Re: your opinion on swords?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:46 pm
by EwanDoc
Hard to go wrong with a good Paul Binns sword too, folks in my group either seem to use Armourclass or Binnsys. www.paul-binns-swords.co.uk