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looking for plate legs

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:57 pm
by cloudy-cola-corp
I've been thinking about buying some 15th century plate legs for this year but im not sure who is best to buy from,
I know the Lancaster armouries makes them and thats they are very high standard but I also know that A.S.H makes high quality armour aswell however i am not sure what A.S.H would charge for them so i was just wondering if anyone knew what price i would be looking at if i went to A.S.H or if anyones would recommend another company for a price around £250 give or take (they are for full contact battles)

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:15 pm
by Merlon.
I believe you turned sixteen in November, would be it not be a good idea to wait until you have finished growing before buying plate armour?

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:00 pm
by cloudy-cola-corp
yes that's correct and it is the biggest dilema i face because i have still got a little bit of growing to do but i don't want to carry on as i do now and come home with my legs covered in grazes and bruises (which i know are unavoidable in a hobby like this) because we've been training in kit with bills and i have enough pretection for my top half but nothing for my legs which is where i am hit most and im just wondering if it would be a suitable idea to get platelegs with say an inch/ inch and a half of growth in them or to just get some thick padded legs and buy a pair of knee cops and to be honest that is probably cheaper as i have been looking at a new sword ( because i can't afford to buy full legs and a sword :( )

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:25 pm
by Zachos
If you must get from either of those armourers, go with ASH. If you really want something to protect your legs before you're fully grown, maybe get some archers poleyns as seen here:

http://www.stgeorgearmouryshop.co.uk/62201.html

Talk to a few armourers and see how much they would make something similar for you. Then when you've done your growing, and have enough money get a top notch armourer to make you full legs.

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:47 am
by CraigofYork
hmmm if your on a budget and your worried about growing out of your leg harness and you want full legs go to
http://www.re-enactmentsupplies.co.uk/i ... path=35_42 ....you'll be able to afford your sword aswell :wink:
you may also find yourself with a changed mind at some point, you may end up not wanting to wear a leg harness, you may find it uncomfortable or something and if you've spent many hundreds of pounds...you may regret it - i'm just suggesting a possable eventuallity, i'm new to medieval and am getting all my kit together, i jumped in wanting to buy loads of armour and stuff, i wish i had'nt (bought some right crap!) so now i'm just getting my costume kit as quility as i can get it as i know thats what i'll be spending most of my time wearing...but then again if you know a leg harness is definately for you right now and you want top quality your on the right track!

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:35 am
by cloudy-cola-corp
i think those legs will be to big for me because they say will fit an average build of 5 feet 10inch to 6 feet 2 and i am only 5 foot 7 :( so i think i'll try and send ASH. an email about something similar to those archers polyens

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:43 pm
by CraigofYork
i do apologise i forgot they were one size, ASH armour does look very good - i saw hs brigandine at tewksbury last year, still think about it....

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:19 pm
by cloudy-cola-corp
yes their stuff is good :) I walked past his stall at the fair in coventry in october and i could just spend a fortune on some of the stuff they've made

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:44 pm
by CraigofYork
if i were i rich man dub a dub a dub adub adum i'd buy all the armour in the land...if i were a wealthy man....

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:34 am
by Zachos
If I were a rich man

dubby dubby dumm

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:54 am
by CraigofYork
i don't really need a house....or food to eat.....1 gothic harness please, i think today i shall have a faithfull copy of the armour worn by emperor sigismund please!
i hear is stuffs really good, never seen any in person though

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:12 am
by cloudy-cola-corp
i wish..... if i was a rich man i've only seen a few bits of their armour in person but all the people i know who've got it say it's good stuff

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:39 pm
by wulfenganck
Hi,
St. George Armoury is definitely a bargain, I own a bevor, vambraces, spaulders and half-mittens myself and had the possibility to check other examples of his work (breastplate geman style, full harness milanese style): excellent bargain, in fact I haven't seen anything better "off-the-peg" than St. George Armoury. Especially the archers poleyn's seem reasonable for your purpose.

If you're on a tight budget, you might as well want to check some providers from east-european countries. Even with the shipping coosts, some of them might be a true bargain.
For example: http://www.armorymarek.com/ I bought these for something around 520,- EUR: http://www.armorymarek.com/public/defau ... gs/l20.jpg and I have handled some other stuff they made. It's rather "munition style", i.e. not what I would use for portraying a noble; there are flaws concerning the "a"-factor in construction.
But it's absolutely efficient for a bit heavier combat training/bouts and it looks okay.
Thisd guy makes nice armour for an astounding price: http://www.jazwiec.pl/main.php?lang=eng ... /radekkram No english website, but he speaks and writes fluent english.
I have seen his work on quite some occasions, it's good and pricey (1 PLN = 0,22 GBP).
A bit difficult to get in contact, try a couple of times.

So far for your question, now the annoying advice:
Don't spent the money on cheap plate armour now.

You'll have to resell the stuff in at least 2 years from now on, just because your're still growing and it win't fit any longer.
Apart froim that, there is a simple reason for the higher prices: they actually are worth it because good armour is handmade to your measures. All that cheaper stuff you can buy in online shops will NEVER fit as good as handmade armour made with specifications.
And trust me, you'll want armour that fits exactly.
Due to your budget problems and the fact that you're still growing, how about trying something different. How about trying to make padded garment - maybe a sort of plinted armpour - for protecting upper thighs and knees? You can do it yourself with a small amount of money and it'll be working properly.

If you're really in danger of getting injured even with protective gear like that, there should be another question: are you really supposed to do this?
I've been doing HEMA for quite a while and it has nothing to do with the ordinary reenactment-battle, where headshits and thrusts (to name the most obvious) are not alowed. But even for bouts with blunt steel in harness, there must be some restrictions for safety reasons. If it's reaally about forceful strikes - if not to say heavy bashing - with bills I'm rather unwilling to give you any further advice as it seems to be a rather idiotic approach. There are way better possibilities to ease testosterone-overload...

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:02 pm
by Mark Griffin
I know I'm going to get shouted at, but that stuff (I hesitate to grace it with the term 'armour') at re-enactment supplies is pretty shoddy. For just a bit more you can do a whole heap better. Its lopsided for one thing!

The other traders/makers mentioned are a good bet. Buy decent armour and even if you grow out of it, as long as you have cared for it, it will retain its value more than the cheap stuff.

Griff

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:38 pm
by cloudy-cola-corp
I have no intetion to shout at you your entitled to an opinion :) I've spoken to ASH. a few days ago via email and we're going to try and sort something out at TORM in march but he also said that if i grew out of it he could potentialy ajust or part exchange it when/if i grew out of it.

Cloudy-Cola-CorP

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:44 pm
by Mark Griffin
jobs a good-un then!

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:31 pm
by cloudy-cola-corp
As for the shouted at part i have noticed that on this forum if you voice an idea admiting that you are no expert but asking if that sort of thing was done then there can be alot of very helpfull people but also there seems to always be some of the NO YOUR OPINION IS WRONG!!!! style replys mabey it is just me (sorry for the off subject comment)

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:39 pm
by Mark Griffin
That problem is caused by posting on a forum along with other humans. Recipe for disaster. Or maybe not, opinions differ.

The worst thing to do is ask 2 horse people for an opinion, you'll get at least 6. Plus a vehement rebuttal of advice not even given.

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:57 pm
by CraigofYork
i think the fact that it's difficult to gage the tone in which people wright makes for a few missunderstandings, you can't tell if someones being sarcasting - or patronising...can you now? ........see!

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:06 pm
by Mark Griffin
We do try and keep it nice but I often find myself in the awkward position of offering not just a personal opinion, but a professional one as well. Doesn't make it any more right or wrong of course but if I take the stance that I'll give anyone posting the same advice that I'd give a client (major museums and heritage bodies worldwide for just 2) then it can be a bit unpalatable for some. It very often boils down to info the poster doesn't give. What do you want x for and how much are you willing to spend? Its a frustrating hobby as people ALWAYS (with a teency tiny minority) want more than they can afford. I'm in the same boat too...

Ho hum!

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:29 pm
by gregory23b
"The worst thing to do is ask 2 horse people for an opinion, you'll get at least 6. Plus a vehement rebuttal of advice not even given."

And then a splinter group forms, usual stuff.

Second Ash, St Geo. add Matt Black.

I am so glad that there are some really good armourers out there, nice that not all are old, a new gen like Ash and Matt are what is needed to keep the quality up and the competition fresh.

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:33 pm
by Mark Griffin
yep, and the eastern european chaps are coming, plus the many 'unknown' american, who are excellent.

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:37 pm
by cloudy-cola-corp
I did say it might just be me seeing things like that. but i think the main problem we face in this is that we have so many people all of who have vairied knowlage from people like me who know a bit from talking to other re enactors and reading all the way to people who have spent many years in very high places researching the subject and because of how incomplete our knowlage (not saying that to downgrade anyone just as a fact that there is alot we will probably never know) of the subject as a whole is as we can only learn so much from what we can recover from the time.ll always be lots of opinions on anything.

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:42 pm
by Mark Griffin
true. But there is a lot that's wrong that we know is wrong. Its just finding a tactful way to put it.....

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:02 pm
by gregory23b
So most actual recommendations based on trust are made offline to protect the friends of friends etc.

Cynically put, you will only get so much of an honest answer in public.

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:49 pm
by Colin Middleton
My recomended armourers include:
ASH
Aplaisance
St George
Matt Black
Ryal Armouries
White Rose

I'm not certain about Plessis, but I do get a good feeling about them.

Lancasters have a good reputation for durability, but they are a bit of a 'one size fits all' approach, so aren't that authentic in shape (all the above do custom fit, which given a completely different shape).

The problem that you've got with the guys listed at the top is that they're making it to fit you. This means that is is more expensive and of you grow, then it won't fit you anymore!

Have you considered second hand stuff (See the buy-and-sell forum).

The cheapest option of course is practice lots and learn to stop them hitting you!

Good luck Cloudy!

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:08 am
by Lindsay
With the Eastern Europeans coming through at the moment I'd recommend Stanislav Prosek
http://zbroje.mac-armour.cz/gallery.html
He made me the rather nice black burgonet shown in the 17thC gallery. Good Price and was delivered bang on time.

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:12 pm
by matlot
there is also fred at http://www.ryallarmouries.co.uk/
hes very good

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:01 pm
by Dave B
I know this may be an annoying response, but do you really want leg harness?

I've been doing bill for about 13 years or so now, and I bought leg harness some years back - I never use it for general reenactment stuff. I've had a few knocks on the shinbone which were a bit painfull, but nothing serious. I have thought of wearing some football, hockey, or martial arts shinpads and getting some hose made which fit over them without showing. Plate legs are heavy, take up baggage space, and (IMHO) you need quite a few hundred quid to get ones that look right and work right.

They aren't needed for reasons of authenticity, not everyone on the medeival battlefield had them. I'd look at spending hte money on upgrading the stuff you do need, the helmet, soft kit,shoes, jack and gloves, and do without plate legs till you are feeling rich.

Re: looking for plate legs

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:07 pm
by Captain Reech
If you're seriously concerned about a disabling knock to the knee (and accidents do happen) then an inexpensive set of knee cops would be a good compromise until you have all the kit (and the cash!) to warrant a good set of plate. Otherwise I concur what Dave B said and add that it's the last piece of harness you will probably need, illustrations often show men in half harness (sallet, bevoir, arms, back and breast) but there aren't many that show men wearing just the plate leg armour and those that are are usually interpreted as having some form of fabric covered body armour that the artist didn't represent fully or are wearing a short gown or livery coat of some sort over plate defence.