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i've found alot of evidence for the use of these so called maille shorts - i can't remember the proper name for these. i'm going to have a go at making a pair in butted maille - anyone ever had a go at making a pair before? or is their any literature/websites out there with information about the costruction and design, the pictures i've seen show the shorts to be fitted and shaped to the wearers bum, and from the positions of the wearers in these pictures it is suggested there is a fairly high degree of movement.
i'm thinking high waist, seperate shaped codpeice and very short legs (10-15cm or so)
i can't think how i'd shape the seat

any help much appreciated!

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Its called a Brayette, myself and Gavin (mailletailor.co.uk) are currently looking into these. Would suggest using small rings though as large rings might be a tad uncomfortable. I put a photo of one on this site somewhere, will have a look later. Failing that I will fish out the image and post it here. Understanding is that this was used mainly with gothic style plate.

edit - its in the Thread on Period Maille
forums/download/file.php?id=7129&mode=view

also just found this one

http://www.davidrumsey.com/amica/amico1 ... 33149.html
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And for the love of all that is holy wear long pants!
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Marcus Woodhouse wrote:And for the love of all that is holy wear long pants!
think it would be pretty Holy anyway
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Those look like mail hot pants.

Suggest you get on to one of the more "specialist" mail making sites. Someone will have made them. theringlord.com's forum is probably a good place to start. The problem you get with mail near the top of legs is that it will catch and hook on to the mail on the other leg. Also rip the living daylights out of the third leg or saddle if it it gets near it. Cloth inside and outside would stop this (which is why you see braes outside the mail in Norman period pictures).

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Braies d'acier is the term you're looking for

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thanks guys, most helpful indeed! so...6mm rings do you think?

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yep either that or 7mm, currently toying with using 7mm wedge riveted given that with wedge you have a nice smooth finish on the inside
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CraigofYork wrote:i've found alot of evidence for the use of these so called maille shorts
Can you point me to some of that evidence. I've done a bit of looking into it and didn't find that much evidence for or against their use. There are a few famous pictures that you see again and again, but not much else.
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Phil, do you know the date on that brayette? The codpiece looks a bit 16th C to my eyes.

There used to be a pair in the Wallace Collection in London. They appeared to be laid out as a T shape. You wrap the arms of the T around your hips and tie them to each-other at the front. The leg of the T then passes between your own legs and points to the front (covering the gap where the arms meet). I think that was labled as 16th C and I think that it was mounted on a canvas backing (which is probably a later addition).

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just thumbed through the wars of the roses by osprey, it is written that braise d'acier are mentioned in numerous burgundian ordinances....no further info on that, i have at least 20 15th century paintings and drawings that clearly show maille shorts of different types - probably the ones you've already seen

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Colin Middleton wrote:Phil, do you know the date on that brayette? The codpiece looks a bit 16th C to my eyes.
I don't , but I too suspect early C16th

There's a mailshirt in the RA, Leeds that has a "nappy flap" in the manner described-attached to the back of the shirt it is then pulled through and pointed to the front to protect the groin. It'd also serve a secondary function of stopping the mailshirt riding up in use, much like the nappy flap on some Parasmocks of WWII.
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several of the churburg shirts also have the 'dennison' flap and a brass hook to attach them too. I tried this out about 10 years ago and they are a bit of a pain if you need to move about quick but if you were up on a wall or similar position and people were shooting up I'd say it would be pretty handy.

Its been said above but DO NOT wear these whilst riding! Unless you have something good to cover your saddle. They also make things a bit 'slidey'
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