Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

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Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

Postby festering » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:33 pm

Hi all,

Please excuse me if this has been covered elsewhere, but my searches lead me to nothing really,

I am interested in finding out about chainmail between 1350 and 1490.

What were the predominant weaves? I have seen that 4 in 1 was a common weave but have also heard of 6 in 1. Was this weave used in this period or is this an addaptation of more modern origin?

What would be a good source of research for medieval armour and weaponry?

Thanks,

Billy


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Re: Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

Postby Sir Thomas Hylton » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:28 pm

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Re: Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

Postby Alan E » Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:49 am

The Knight and the Blast Furnace: A History of Metallurgy of Armour in the Middle Ages & the Early Modern Period (History of warfare) (Alan Williams) is "the" standard text nowadays on armour research - not cheap though!

The Armour Research Society has published a few journals on the subject if you can get hold of them (but their website is currently down).

For a starter, there's http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_mail.html


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Re: Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

Postby Colin Middleton » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:42 pm

There was quite an interesting discussion on mail on this forum a few months back. You're basically looking at 4 in 1 with round or flat wedge rivited links IIRC. The variation seems to be how much tailoring, how many different sizes of ring and how you finsh the edges.


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Re: Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

Postby festering » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:12 pm

Thanks for the responses.

Thomas, Thanks for that :)

Alan, I'll look those books up, and keep checking the armour research society website, thanks.

Colin, what your saying is that 6 in 1 is not an authentic mail pattern and 4 in 1 was, however the 4 in 1 coul be dressed up in effect to suit the weavers taste. Interesting.
but would butted 4 in 1 mail be sufficient for re-enactment do you think.

Does anyone have any guidence on gauge or size of rings for the main bulk of the shirt?


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Re: Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

Postby festering » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:19 pm

Colin do you have a link to this discussion you mentioned.


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Re: Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

Postby Cap-a-pie » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:37 pm

You might find the articles here worth a read - good reference material with details on ring gauges

http://www.themailresearchsociety.erikd ... icles.html

The thread on this forum was

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21351&hilit=maille

Not sure if that's the one Colin is on about


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Re: Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

Postby Hobbitstomper » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:00 pm

4 in to 1 is pretty much the only medieval weave apart from a tiny amount of 6 to one and Japanese armour (which wouldn’t reach here). Other (modern) weaves such as elfweave and dragonscale are heavier for no real benefit apart from looks. 4 in to one can be tailored to expand and contract in all directions to fit the wearer.

Butted mail is only used authentically in this period for repairs. But…the public can’t tell the difference at typical battlefield distance. Mail geeks can. Buy whatever your personal budget, your authenticity officer and your back/knees are happy with. Riveted is more expensive but generally lighter and stronger.

Most mail is 6-10mm with 8mm or so being the most common. Gauges can go very fine for riveted mail but 1.2-1.6 is most common in re-enactment. Butted mail has to be thicker: 1.6mm or 16Ga+ is needed to stop it falling apart.

Don’t forget the padding to go underneath as the mail itself won’t help much against a bill.

I’d suggest Ebay for butted mail, Cap-a-pie for riveted and The Padded Armour Company for a jack to go underneath.



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Re: Chain maille between 1350 and 1490

Postby Colin Middleton » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:46 pm

That's the one. Thanks Mark.


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