1275-1330 cervelliere visor

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1275-1330 cervelliere visor

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So, after last event, which was good and fun and all that jazz I am looking for a way how to upgrade my face protection.
Right now I have an cervelliere with aventail as in this picture(I am the one with white and blue shield):
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I would like to get some visor that protects whole face, not just nose like this one:
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and as well I would rather not have a pigsnout or klappvisor. Period images and archeological finds are welcomed.
Would some of you point me in a direction?
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I'll pop into the armouries next weekend and see what they have
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You'll be repayed by a bottle of something nice;)
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Hi Narvek

The simplest and most authentic solution I can think of, which would even leave you with so much versatility to choose a design of your choice (which could also be authenticated from numerous extant examples), would be to have a Great Helm or 'Sugarloaf' Helm built to wear over your Cervelliere. Face protection solved.

Emmanuel Viollet-le-Duc lists two Cervelliere's with visors attached, one with a highly unusual, long proboscis shaped visor which hinges from either side of the helmet (supposed to date to circa 1300), the second probably more authentic has a very simple, bulbous visor which has no breathes and just two pararrel sets of eye-slits which also extends into a flattish lower plate to protect the jaw and neck. Again the visor hinges to either side of the helm. This time circa 1310.

Just my two pence worth - go a flat-topped Greathelm or a simple, visorless, Sugarloaf helm to wear over your Cervelliere, or if costs are prohibitive, then go for a very plain, bulbous, visor to attached to your helm :)

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Hi Stuart, thank you :thumbup:

I will buy a grethelm anyway so that is not an issue. But I would like the visor for practical reasons ie. weight etc.
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highly unusual, long proboscis shaped visor which hinges from either side of the helmet (supposed to date to circa 1300)
something like the lad on the far right has? http://vevercino.rajce.idnes.cz/Libusin ... 290242.JPG If you do than I can not get it as I agree on the rarity and he already has it. C'est la vie.

I tried googling the other le duc visor but no luck. Would you have a picture?
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Hi Narvek

Yes, that's the visor - like a long nose shaped wedge :wtf:

However, the other bulbous visor seems more likely. I will see if I can get my scanner to work and send you some pics of it.

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PS. Your group look superb - Bravo Narvek! 8-)

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Stuart Quayle wrote:Yes, that's the visor - like a long nose shaped wedge.
We nicknamed it after a different bodypart :twisted:
Stuart Quayle wrote:PS. Your group look superb - Bravo Narvek! 8-)
Cheers! It's not just one group, the project consists of quite many people from different groups.
See the rest of the pics in pics section.
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haha - I "catch your drift" :D

OK, in the black and white scanned picture the type of visor I was talking about is on helmet numbered 3 - the bulbous visor with two parallel lines of 'dash' eyeslits i.e. not a continuous unbroken line but a line of small dash holes to see out through if that makes sense?

In the coloured scan, again the helmet you want is numbered 3, this visor has not breathes or eyeslits - when the visor is lowered the gap between the top of the visor and the bottom ridge of the face opening forms the eyeslit.

Hope this helps you.

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Had trouble resizing the coloured image, let's see if this pic is any bigger and easier to view.
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no. 2 and no. 3 you say? I see, no. 2 looks usable.

Do not worry, this really helps a lot. :thumbup:
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Here is another pic of the proboscis visored cervelliere for you - numbered 4 on the page, together with another visor option for you - on helmet numbered 5 on the same page.

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Cheers again :thumbup:
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