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Whilst in the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna I found these helmhauben or helmet covers circa 1484 from Innsbruck. Thought people might be interested in seeing them.
Apologies for the quality of the pictures, my camera is not the worlds best.

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nice pics there Paul thanks

they really look like somethign I have seen described as a 16th century helmet liner
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My first thought it that they look something for inside rather than outside a helmet.

But then I assumed that the size would give that away.

Am I misunderstanding the phrase "helmet cover" [or is it possibly a mistranslation]?

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It looks like a liner to me, but it could be a cover/padding for a basinet helm before you put a frog mouth helm over the top for the joust?

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I confered and the management thinks they look like armet liners pretty much like the one in embeltons book
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Nigel wrote:I confered and the management thinks they look like armet liners pretty much like the one in embeltons book
Agree.
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Helmet cover was what, the museum guide tranlated it as, but definately for under the helmet than over it.
Hearing would be all to pot though, guide did not know if they were intended for jousting or combat.

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I know these liners rather well - they are to be worn inside jousting helms. As I remember they are from the end of the 15thC. The giveaway is that they are placed next to the jousting helms in the cabinet ;).

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Merlon. wrote:Helmet cover was what, the museum guide tranlated it as, but definately for under the helmet than over it.
Hearing would be all to pot though, guide did not know if they were intended for jousting or combat.

Thanks Paul its ncie to see extant stuff of course what we want are about 3 cases of jacks :D and an arming doublet or ten
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My two pence worth:

'Helmhaube' literally translates to 'helmet-coif' or possibly 'helmet-cap'. Without looking at the pictures, the word along would suggest they go inside your tin hat.
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