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Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:59 am
by Matt Easton
From my point of view, as historical replicas, kovex are rubbish. They only look like swords from about 20 metres away and don't feel like swords at all. However, I would say that of most reenactment swords, Armour Class included (though they do also make semi-sharps and sharps, which are good replicas of swords).
At the end of the day, a reenactment 'sword' is not really a sword, it is a blunt steel object that is designed to be fairly safe and look fairly like a sword. That is it. It is not designed to function as a sword and in most cases is not even designed to be a replica of a sword.
For blunt swords that are as close to a replica of a real sword as you can get you need to go to St.George Armoury or Albion or suchlike. Armour Class and Pavel Moc reenactment swords are sort of borderline in terms of being replicas in my eyes, and both makers can make blunt replicas if you ask.

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:09 pm
by Colin Middleton
On the subject of good sword manufacturers, who is recomended?

Obviously St George and Albion, any others?

What about Heron Armories?

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:48 pm
by narvek
as I can speak only for czech swordsmithes:
Červenka http://www.sword.cz/
Bárta http://www.templ.net/english/who_is_patrick_barta.php
Figura http://lightswords.cz/ (no english version though)
Luděk Hugo Vobořil http://www.historickezbrane.cz/

that's about it;)

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:16 pm
by zauberdachs
Colin Middleton wrote:What about Heron Armories?
Tim supplies swords to many of us in the DDS and if you ask him to make your blades suitable for WMA he will make you something much closer to a real blade than the usual re-enactment blunt.

I also got Tim to supply me with a lovely falchion, based on the Thorpe falchion, earlier in the year which turned out excellent in all regards.

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:24 pm
by Matt Easton
Interesting that he'll do more historical swords if asked - I'd only seen his reenactment beaters before and they looked and felt like giant spoons. :D

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:42 pm
by zauberdachs
To be fair to all the above sword-smiths, if you are getting something "off the shelf" so to speak then you are getting pot luck whichever supplier. I think as a purchasers we have to be specific enough when ordering to allow the craftsman to create the correct item for us. This includes letting them know blade thickness, balance point etc etc.

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:24 pm
by Earl Mortimer
one of the funnist things i saw at one of fight training sessions was a( non-member) friend who turned up as a guest, was telling us all how good his Kovex sword was and how we as a group should consider having them on our " suppliers list" for the group.

Well you can guess what happened when we started to train. First hit( LA Sword) and his Kovex sword went snap. :D :lol: :lol: :rock:

We didn't talk about Kovex swords again :thumbup:

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:24 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
I bet you did...and gigled about it a lot.

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:11 pm
by Ayliffe's Steve
I have had a kovex sword as my primary training weapon for years. I think I bought one when I very first saw their stand.

It is light, strong and was the sword that people wanted to borrow when they were training (rather than our training swords). I let them and it was fine. It got used pretty constantly through our training sessions (2 hours every Tuesday and Thursday) including several full contact fights.

The only issue I have ever had is that the quillion came loose. They took it back and repaired it despite it being out of warranty. A few people in God's Company have Kovex swords and I can only think of one person who had any issue with them (well two, if you include Jim!).

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:42 pm
by Spurious
Ayliffe's Steve wrote:I have had a kovex sword as my primary training weapon for years. I think I bought one when I very first saw their stand.

It is light, strong and was the sword that people wanted to borrow when they were training (rather than our training swords). I let them and it was fine. It got used pretty constantly through our training sessions (2 hours every Tuesday and Thursday) including several full contact fights.

The only issue I have ever had is that the quillion came loose. They took it back and repaired it despite it being out of warranty. A few people in God's Company have Kovex swords and I can only think of one person who had any issue with them (well two, if you include Jim!).
To be fair, I believe that most of the Kovex swords we have in the group are of an older generation, mostly bought before the big price rise of a couple of years back, perhaps it is a case of decay of production quality over time?

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:48 pm
by Ayliffe's Steve
Ah, I did not know there had been a decline. My sword is, I think, 4 or 5 years old now?
Although it needs some repairs to it as the quillion is going again :-(

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:24 am
by Cat
Interesting point raised by Matt- I inherited a cavalry sabre when my Dad died. Being who I am I had a few little swings with it in the back garden. The difference between a re-enactment blade and a live sword is extraordinary. I understand why 'real' swords are called 'live' now.

To add to the Kovex comments, I had one that I was quite happy with as an every-day weapon, but it broke just out of warranty and they were entirely disinterested- even though the blade had flown through the air at a public event. This was one that was bought about 5 years ago. It didn't burr though.

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:01 pm
by Dave B
I had a chance to handle some 'real' swords from the royal armouries reserve collection earlier this year - very interesting, I recommend it.

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:50 pm
by narvek
I did some makiwara(straw mats) cutting with a live katana. Wholeheartedlly recommeds to try, gives you a whole ne world of understandig how the blade needs to be used to actually cut, not break.

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:01 am
by Phil the Grips
I think you mean "tatami".

Makiwara is a wooden striking block. You'd need an axe to get through one of them!

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:10 am
by narvek
Yes, sorry, it was a long time ago;)
Tatami put on top of makiwara. Correct name of cutting it is tameshigiri. Need to learn some more japanese.

Anyway the point I tried to make is that the cutting is much harder than people imagine, you have to make a fluent move and put your body into it etc. Good fun though.
or you could try it this way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v4j3mvrDyQ

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:03 pm
by Hellequin
Save up and buy a "proper" sword.

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:11 pm
by Hobbitstomper
Narvek is right. Cutting with a sword is probably harder after doing re-enactment.

When I hit closed foam pool floats in a re-enactment style with a sharp sword nothing much happened. A big noisy impact but no cutting at all. Skin is tougher than pool floats.
Repeat but projecting force and drawing the blade and they literally jumped apart as the sword sliced them to bits.

It makes the Japanese demonstration of skill where the swordsman cuts to a person but does not harm them look a bit less impressive if the average re-enactor can do it (whether he wants to or not!)

Re: kovex ars falcions

Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:29 pm
by Colin Middleton
Dave B wrote:I had a chance to handle some 'real' swords from the royal armouries reserve collection earlier this year - very interesting, I recommend it.
Seconded. It was facinating. They're quite open to organising this for groups of re-enactors, though you do have to pay for the 'event'. They prefer if you can do it on a week day though.

Cat, what did you feel was the difference?