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Postby DeMeer » Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:27 am

Hi,
I'm hoping someone can help. Our group has only just started to do living history and i would like some info on a 13th Century medicine chest. I would like to put something on our living history display, I'm not bothered about the surgery side of it just everyday medicinal stuff. I have some knowledge about herbs but i dont know anything about what would have been kept in a household for everyday use, or even on campaign, i.e bandages what they used for wounds also ailments. I would be very grateful for any help at all.

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Postby Brother Ranulf » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:23 pm

what would have been kept in a household for everyday use,


The answer is practically nothing. Bandages would be torn linen sheets or whatever linen was available. If you needed a "medical practitioner" you had a choice, of sorts. There were the village wise women who knew about childbirth and that kind of thing; there were expensive chirugeons, surgeons, who could cauterize wounds, remove a limb, set broken bones and apply leeches or bleed you a lot; then there were the monastic infirmaries which were strictly intended to house elderly and infirm monks but no doubt assisted the local population when required. A king or a very high-ranking nobleman might keep a personal surgeon on his staff, otherwise people had to pay large sums of money for their skills, putting them outside the scope of most of the population.

The two forms of treatment for anything were surgery (including blood-letting) or herbal remedies; most households would not have either of these readily available for everyday use.

You seem to be hoping that people carried first-aid kits with them on campaign, but there was nothing of the kind. Many more troops died of disease and wounds than were killed outright, simply because of the almost total lack of medical aid.

The earliest original treatise on surgery in the medieval West was Roger of Parma's "Surgery" (about 1180) which was copied into Anglo-Norman in the 13th century. Even this relies heavily on herbal treatment for many minor ailments; honey was also used to keep wounds clean.


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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:25 pm

Are you interested in surgery, medicine or folk cures?
There was some cross over potential in the late 14th century and in the 15th century when doctors began studying physic and anatomy but even then not much.
So do you want to know how bones were set, how your star sign indicates which humour is unbalanced or how hanging a dried bat over your B***cks will cure all fever?


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Postby Brother Ranulf » Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:30 pm

I should have mentioned the religious aspect of healing. People at that time were devout in their Christian beliefs, as well as being superstitious. It was widely held that the health of a person's soul was just as important as the health of the body, if not more so, therefore the healing properties of prayer and religious devotion were seen as even more vital than medicines. Pilgrimages to the shrines of saints were often made in the hope of a miraculous cure for some long-term affliction such as blindness or lameness. This explains why Holy relics were so highly valued (and why fakes were so abundant).

It is difficult for today's society to understand the widespread depth of belief in the Holy Trinity, the saints and angels and Church teachings. It is one aspect of the period that is often, sadly, left out of modern re-enactment.


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Postby DeMeer » Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:15 am

Wow,

Thank you for your replies. As i said earlier i dont anything about it at all but i am very grateful for what you have both told me. I suppose as i have some knowledge in herbs i guess folklore would be the answer. I just wondered how in everyday life in the 13th Century people dealt with illnesses. The surgery side of stuff i think i would be pretty useless at, all i was thinking of was something that i could add to our living history display. I didnt expect them to carry a first aid kit at all. So if anyone can suggest a route i could go down regards a talk or display i would welcome it.

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Postby Lady Jane Rochester » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:22 pm

I have been putting together a 14th century home cure/apothecary box for the new season and meeting the Wise Woman, Jayne Milner at the ILHF has been an inspiration. Jayne's website has many, many unusual herbs and spices for sale.

http://www.jaynemilner.com/

There is a lot of information out there - enjoy the hunt.

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Postby Brother Ranulf » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:38 pm

Lots of unusual and important medicinal herbs there, but strangely no cynoglossum officinale (hound's tongue) - it was the specific for treating dog bites.


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Postby DeMeer » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:06 pm

Yeah I've met Jayne a couple of times and bought some of her herbs, thanks for the reply i will certainly hunt again.

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Postby Benedict » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:10 pm

Not strictly thirteenth century, but likely to be of use to you:

A. Cameron 'Anglo-Saxon Medicine' (Cambridge University Press 1993) - an excellent discussion of the medical effectiveness of "herbal" healing. If you're remotely interested in this aspect, please do read it as it's incredibly informative and detailed, while still being approachable for a non-specialist. It also discusses the various medical traditions (including humours and bloodletting).

S. Pollington 'Leechcraft: Early English Charms, Plantlore and Healing' (Anglo-Saxon Books 2000) - sources for the pre-Conquest period edited and translated.

T. Hunt 'Anglo-Norman Medicine' (Boydell 1994, 1997) - two volumes of source material, mostly from the twelfth century (so would be known in the thirteenth).

I hope these are of use,


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Postby DeMeer » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:59 pm

Hi

Thanks Benedict,
Yes i think that will be very helpful and i will certainly look for the sources you listed. Its great for people to help out, much appreciated.

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Postby bonnacon » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:43 pm

Hey Marcus ! Any more details on that dried bat......? :angel:


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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:37 am

Read your Physicia you young lout.


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Postby bonnacon » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:24 pm

Can't read........hoping the dried bat would help that............ :D

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Postby Apothecary » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:55 am

Hi there, just some help to clear things up a bit

as usual there is no written evidence of household 'medicine chests' but, over the years I have come to the conclusion that as far as housholds are concerned, the LADY of the house, be she villain, Duchess, Noblewoman or Abbess......it was her responsibility to judge, assess and if possible deal with any situation she found herself in, from orgainsing the daily menue, to defending the family seat for invaders, everyone forgets the responsibility that as an employer - you have a resonsibility to your employees and that meant paying for a healthcare worker ! but if you had been given (passed down) remedies or aquired them for simple problems like cuts, grazes, or even stitching and bandaging, this was in the relm of your mistress or another lady of the household to which the hask had been given.

With that said, the mistress would have the only key for the Spice chest and if you were valued within the household, then simple treatments like Yarrow, Meadowsweet, Arnica and Comfrey, Cobwebs and even Puffballs.....could also be included, as far as (and I respectfully say this - hopefully giving no offence) at this present time, I have found no written reference (once discovered what happens) to use LINNEN as bandages for wound dressings-it is a common misconception, because if any linnen fibers get into a wound, it makes it infected and fester (if you need any reference point - start with Master and Commander as it points this out beautifully via the Doctors Opp.and work back), these are simple things that need to be addressed, wool could be used as it is a natural material, you can actually get wool as fine as cotton and before we started to import vast quantities of Egyption cotton, indeed this was one of only very few alternatives to it. As far as sheeting was concerned I think as a household, (and I may presume that this is of merchant or higher class ?) sheeting may be of Egyption Cotton as this was the hardest wearing or again Woolen Sheeting, lower classes would be sleeping on sheep skin and or blankets or straw, again depending on rank........so it is not implausable to 'rip up sheeting' just very improbable......due to the cost.

With that said, I think (and this really is a sexist thing to say but from my understanding and reasoning), Men tend to think BOOKS - BOOK BASED EVIDENCE - IF IT'S NOT IN BOOKS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. with this attitued, the vikings did not wear shoes, until they found the ones in york at a dig, there is still no evidence for children from around 700 - 815 'ish AD as no graves or other evidence has been found, the recent newly discovered Dinosaur did not exhist until someone discovered it ?. Sometimes this is not the case - as Living Historians showing the 'practicallity' of every day living, there has to be an element of common sense, book reading is fine if you are Physic, Chirurgeon, Urologist, Magician, Alchemist, Lawer etc., or any of the other proffessions open to men, but as woman were not allowed to have a practice on the main streets, be in competition with or be members of the MALE GUILDS, then I am afraid that a little housewife thinking has to come into play.

So learn to think like a woman is the real answer, if the herbs and spices you have in your cooks chest can be utilised, if it saves you the cost of treating the servant yourself rather than calling in someone who will charge a huge amount, if you have old woolen sheeting that is beyond repair, if you can treat this simple problem youself, IT SAVES YOU MONEY AND KEEPS THE NOBLES IN YOUR POCKET ! NOT HAVING TO WASTE TIME TRYING TO FIND A SOBER PHYSIC ON A STORMY NIGHT ! and my personal favourite, GETTING ON WITH THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING A HOUSEHOLD !

If this is the case and it would be very common place, why would they write about - urgo - it would not make it into BOOKS! which are owned and sometimes read by the rich, even if they couldn't read, they may own them to show they were educated..........So come on guys, get a womb and start thinking like a woman (lol lol lol), your household chest may contain various herbs and spices for cook. it may also be practical to have a bag or sack kept near by or with it, with clean cloths in so you can dress wounds, small bound bags of other dried herbs, and horse hair for stitches(it is not uncommon even today, to have wives, mothers, girlfriends tending the sick, why then would they not see what the physic was doing and repeat the treatment if it happened again ?, this is a very simple 'common' thing for people - watch and repeat. Sometimes I think we do not give our forefathers or mothers of old, the credit they are due, as most of the stuff I have learned from my mother was learnt by watching and then doing, also think about your own home first aid kit, what do you have in it - pain killers, plasters, anticeptic, maybe a sling, something for constipation or sickness (or is that just me ?) and maybe some wipes......try and replicate this in your historical life......remember times change, fashion changes, market suplies change - 'people don't' !!!

I will apologise now if people think I am having a rant, but I assure you I am not, it is meant to inform but the problem with messages like this it can seem that the person writing this is on a mission, if you met me you would know what I am like - passionate about my subject and getting it right. So I hope that this has cleared up a few things.....and please take it in the manner of which it was written....

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Postby Brother Ranulf » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:28 pm

It's good to see someone so intensely passionate about a subject - a friend of mine has been recreating the role of a medieval surgeon for many years, giving talks in schools as well as presentations on sites and he is just as passionate about what he does. The replica surgical instruments and live leeches are guaranteed to entertain.

Unfortunately you contradict your own arguments in several respects:

"Master and Commander" is a wonderful piece of Hollywood fantasy nonsense which does demonstrate how linen, wool, cotton, silk or any other cloth can be forced into a wound by a bullet (or earlier by an arrow), All except silk will tear and harbour dirt and unpleasant bacteria, resulting in blood poisoning with eventual fatal results. Bullet and arrow wounds are hardly likely to happen following the application of wound dressings, so it is difficult to see how linen fibres would be forced into the wound. You then go on to mention "clean cloths to dress wounds" - in the 13th century and in a rural or campaign situation such cloths are almost guaranteed to be linen. Cotton at that period was far too expensive an import to slap it on every sword cut or arrow wound, unless you happened to be the king or someone equally extravagant, as was the fine wool cloth you point to.

You denigrate the study of evidence from historical, archaeological and academic writing, yet you dismiss linen bandages because you yourself can find no written evidence for them - so for you they must be a fantasy. You can't argue both ways. Perhaps you have not looked hard enough - are you able to read 13th century Latin and Anglo-Norman French? Have you checked all the period sources that are not yet available in English? The Romances and Lais of the period provide a far closer mirror of life in England at that time than any Hollywood adventure film, albeit that they were written down at the time and therefore unacceptable evidence in your view.

You seem to be saying that a 21st century woman's instincts will always be the correct answer to medieval problems, a theory which I for one can not support, since modern women have not experienced the same lifestyle, had access to the same folklore and traditions, nor had access the same raw materials. This concept is the basis for the widespread modern idea that "medieval women must have worn men's braies as certain times of the month", because (the theory says) they must have applied modern solutions to medieval problems. Such an idea completely ignores the obvious drawbacks regarding the extremely loose and baggy fit of medieval male underwear, including often having the crotch in the vicinity of the knees, which can be confirmed by examining documents of the time. Whatever solution was used, it certainly didn't involve wearing braies.

As for the idea of keeping medicines ready and to hand, I will give the example of calendula (marigold) ointment, a specific for skin problems, burns, ulcers, sores and spots. This was produced on a base of clarified animal fat, generally rendered mutton fat. Stored at ambient temperature or exposed to summer heat during re-enactment events the ointment becomes rancid after a short time, meaning a new batch has to be made up - the same applies to all ointments of this kind. So long-term storage in a "medicine chest" is impractical. It has to be produced as and when needed. Similarly herbal poultices, compresses and pills - without the benefit of refrigeration, they must be newly made as needed.

As for "get a womb" . . . on balance I think I will pass, thank you. :wink:


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Postby Eve » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:21 pm

Hi Dave & Jayne

Just to enter the debate - While I agree with Dave about not basing anything on Hollywood's interpretation of the past, I must say that the medical advisor on ' Master and Commander' was Mick Crumplin, who is not only a very fine medical re-enactor, but also a retired surgeon and curator of the Huntarian Museum that is based in London's Royal College of Surgeons. He has said that the director of M &C was very keen to be accurate, so I would be very happy to trust things seen in that film. However, I don't think you can base 13th cent. practises on 18th/19th cent ones. To muddy the waters further I'm sure I read in the 17th century (might have been in Wiseman or Woodall, I can't remember) that bandages were made of linen and the raw edges were turned in but not sewn, as the sewing thread caused the edge to be rough. If I get time I'll try to find where I read it.

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Postby DeMeer » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:20 pm

Hi to Dave, Jayne & Eve,

I am glad this subject has caused a debate, as i know nothing at all on the subject. Its is something i am very keen to learn about but trying to research anything on the internet is fraught with pitfalls, how do you know what you are reading is true the 13th Century is not an easy period to look into. Books, yes there are books on here but like Dave said there are many more that have not been translated and as yet i do not read latin or Norman french. I have emailed many learned societies such as the Worshipful Society of Apothecaries, Museum of the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain, Wellcome Library and the archivist at Apothecaries' Hall in fairness they have all replied but also have passed me on to someone else and i feel i am going round in circles, so what is a girl to do. I dont expect to become an expert on the matter all i want to do is to add something else to our display when we do our shows. I want to be correct i dont want to tell the public a load of rubbish because believe me there are many of them very knowledgeable. Our group have been going 37 years now and i have been with them 25 years so i dont want our group to be the one's that dont know what they are talking about. We only started doing living history last year so are very green on the subject but we are keen to learn and listen to advice given by others that know more than we do. On that note thank you to you all for debating and helping.
Its good to talk
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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:12 pm

The Good Wife of Paris, though later than what Demeer wants and written by a man for his young and inexperiencied wife, has pages and pages of stuff about what should go into a "medicine box" including using clean linen as a bind and bandage. Hildegard Von Bingen also recommends linen (and from southern germany as well) though she says silk is better.
My guess is that they don't expect the bandages to be made from the same grubby linen that you are wearing when you get hurt and have fibres packed full of filth pushed into the wound but stuff that is as clean and aired as was possible.
But what do i know, I'm only a man. ;(


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Postby DeMeer » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:21 pm

Hi Marcus,

How much later is the good wife of paris? Is it worth me having a look at?
You may be only a man but I'm sure you have something to say worth listening to :D

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Postby gregory23b » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:42 pm

Having read and transcribed a good 15thc medical treatise, which has its roots in earlier practice, I can say that most recipes for cures and treatments are made up on the spot for use as required, two main reasons for this, the first is as the honourable Brother says, is storage, if ingredients are active and they have to be to be useful, then there comes a point that they will decay, unless dessicated and then reactivated, but salves, poultices and plaisters are made up PRN, the second is cost and availability, not always practical to have a load of items in store 'just in case', especially if the former point is taken into account.

As for 'books; being a male thing, possibly, but the few people I know who are really into their medieval medicine are mainly women, who are academics and reenactors, who use a combination of documentation, past and present and research into active ingredients or the efficacy of said medieval medicines.

"with this attitued, the vikings did not wear shoes, until they found the ones in york at a dig,"

There are other sources of information other than 'books', such as art, so that is a false analogy.

"there is still no evidence for children from around 700 - 815 'ish AD as no graves or other evidence has been found"

Everyone that lived is a child of someone else, you could make this odd notion stretch further by saying that not many people lived in the viking age because very few graves have been found, or any period prior to the modern one, but that would be silly. Interestingly, for the later middle ages, coroners' records show us the deaths of many children and adults, grave locations are irrelevant in that case to prove child presence.

"there has to be an element of common sense, book reading is fine if you are Physic, Chirurgeon, Urologist, Magician, Alchemist, Lawer etc., or any of the other proffessions open to men, but as woman were not allowed to have a practice on the main streets, be in competition with or be members of the MALE GUILDS, then I am afraid that a little housewife thinking has to come into play."

Are you sure about that, there are some 15thc English medical treatises which feature women as prominent players, granted they are in midwifery***. Plus you might be reinforcing a belief that women were not able to read, when we know that in the later middles ages that literacy was growing and spreading and that women had their own guilds, professional as well as social.

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I have this one in another book on medieval medicine.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... sician.jpg



Recipe books for food often contain medical recipes, the Pepsyian cook book, that was republished as 'Styr it well' has a few household remedies.

Bandages: do you include slings and supports? presumably an arm could be broken and have an open wound, I know there are images of people with slings and other bindings.

a1500 Hrl.2378 Recipes (Hrl 2378) 85/4: Take a lynnen cloth and trusse it wele fro the kne doun to the ancle.

c1440 Thrn.Med.Bk.(Thrn) 1/6: Do it one lyn clathe & bynde it abowte þe heuede.

Bindel - small roll of cloth for bandaging

?a1425 *Chauliac(1) (NY 12) 67b/b: Be þe wonde bounden fro withoutforþ with stupatez & byndelez [*Ch.(2): rolles; L bindellis].
?a1425 *Chauliac(1) (NY 12) 85a/b: A bristel or threde made of hemp, or of som smal byndel [*Ch.(2): bonde; L bindello] or of a litel corde þat is put in.
?a1425 *Chauliac(1) (NY 12) 96b/a: A litel byndel of cloþ anoynted wiþ som corrosyue.
?a1425 *Chauliac(1) (NY 12) 99b/a: Be þer put aboue splentez..and be þai bounden with a towel or a byndel.

bandages and bindings are mentioned quite frequently with regards to wounds and breaks.

re cloth in wounds, that is I believe to do with the fact that if you are wearing clothes when say shot or cut, then fibres with contamination may enter the wound, not as a result of bandaging, or even the fibres themselves, just any contamination the clothes might have in the first place.

Underwear linens are boiled and lyed, so presumably they had a reasonable idea of what a clean cloth might look and feel like, not bacteriologically of course.

Doesn't Hildegard von Bingen recommend hemp bandages to treat wounds and ulcers?

Are you tying up linen = flax rather than linen = hemp/flax/nettle?

PLus, the word 'cloth' is used a lot, depending on the context it can mean wool, linen or any of the textiles, difficult surely to say that linen was NOT used.

I would turn the idea of non-linen use as bandages on its head by simply asking if we know linen to be more likely to cause infection of wounds, I mean clean linen. You ask us to use common sense, linen in various forms was freely available and used in a variety of ways including food, so why not as a wound binding, makes sense to me.
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Postby Brother Ranulf » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:51 pm

Hildegard von Bingen is a reliable 12th century source, German rather than English but no less valuable for that.

Sharron, I applaud your efforts to research a difficult and involved subject at a period which is as you say less than easy. My own researches into the 12th century (all aspects) have shown that there is plenty of evidence out there, but it is widely dispersed and generally not easily accessible; it's like being in a detective story, with plenty of red herrings and blind alleys, but the occasional nugget of gold. Having some moderate language skills is a definite advantage.

In terms of material published in English, I would recommend "Anglo-Norman Medicine" (several volumes) - vol 2 is currently available here:
http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ ... tion/Oxbow

"The Medieval Surgery" by Tony Hunt is a disappointing little book, since it only reproduces the 13th century illustrations from Roger of Parma's "Surgery", not the text - in any case it seems the Anglo-Norman French text has not yet been published in translation. It covers a wide range of conditions, including battle wounds.

The 12th century manuscripts MS Ashmole 1462 (Oxford, Bodleian Library) and MS Sloane 1975 (British Library) are medical herbals as well as Bestiaries, but again their Latin text appears not to be available in translation. This is a great shame for the general reading public as the texts accompanying each herb give some fascinating insights into the medieval mind; both texts would have been widely available to scholars in the 13th century.


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Postby The Iron Dwarf » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:04 pm

on books being only for and by men......

well im not as educated as most here so I may well be wrong but one book frequently quoted in falconry ( which I used to be involved in and indeed quoted it in a book I written ) is 'the boke of st albans' by the abbess dame juliana of berne ( a treatise on hunting, hawking and armour ).

now I know this is much later but often attitudes dont change fast so as the only book I know of, unlike the large quantity you lot know of seems to have not been written by a man.
I suspect this book was 300 years later than the era you are dealing with.



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Postby DeMeer » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:32 pm

Thank you Brother Ranulf,

Yes as you say it is a difficult task and there may be a lot of evidence out there but also you say there are plenty of red herrings and if you dont know what is right or wrong I'm a bit like the herrings in a pickle..lol But i thank you for your comments so far and will try and look at what you have suggested and hope that i can wade through it and hopefully come up with the right answers. As for things written in German thats not so bad as i have a good friend who speaks very good German so he may be able to help.
If anyone has anymore suggestions for me i would welcome all.
Once again thanks its great that you are all willing to share with this novice.

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Re: 13th century medicine

Postby gregory23b » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:58 pm

The biggest problem we have as modern day people trying to feel the past is our natural inclination to apply modern values, knowledge and logic to medieval cultural mindsets. What might seem common sense to a medieval person may well seem like mumbo jumbo, for example the church was often admonishing people for using charms to solve their problems, ranging from spiritual ones to material ones. A medieval person may well say that it is right and proper to use particular prayers to cure problems, a modern secular person might simply sweep that under the carpet, a mistake I would imagine. I cited the styr it well as a cookbook that had medical recipes in it, it had ones using physical items and it also had ones using prayers alone, one to stop bleeding comes to mind. No matter how we would like to imagine people being 'wise' and knowing loads more than we do, I can imagine with confidence that in a religious world that a prayer was part and parcel of treatment, in some cases the only sort and if it failed it was basically a higher power taking the soul. I can fully imagine 'wise' women utilising all accepted practices at their disposal. My biggest issue is the secularising of a religious past, a huge gaping chasm of difference exists between me, a secular atheist and a 12th, 13th etc Century practicising Christian in England, not to mention my modern knowledge of hygeine etc.


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Re: 13th century medicine

Postby Eve » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:17 pm

Sharron
I think my husband might be the friend Dave has referred to. Can I say that you need to read everything that has been translated that you can get your hands on, including food recipe books, as food was related to health and the 4 humours. But don't be disillusioned - start small or you will be boggled by it all. Yes early medieval is much more difficult to get written access to but there is stuff out there, much of which has been mentioned above. As you get more confident you might want to move either side of your chosen period and start to make educated extrapolations. Steve started with 17th century surgery and has stretched both ways and now has some knowledge of 12th - 20th century (I think he would say he still has a lot to learn!).
You might be interested in the yahoo group that is running for medical re-enactors. There is a whole lot of knowledge there from folk researching this from all over the world - although I must admit it sometimes goes very quiet - must all be reading original texts :crazy: I'm not clever enough to tell you how to find it but the Lord High Everything Else runs it and he logs on here.
Happy hunting and don't be afraid to ask for help - even though we may give contraditory answers!

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Re: 13th century medicine

Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:46 pm

The Good Wife is written at the end of the 14th century, I was using it more to illustrate a point.


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Re: 13th century medicine

Postby DeMeer » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:13 am

Hi Eve,

Thanks for that, I've never been afraid to ask about something i dont know about although sometimes it makes me feel like a right idiot..lol The yahoo group sounds as it may be a good place to start any idea what the group is called if not who do i contact to find out? I'll keep at it and if i get stuck I'll be back :D

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Re: 13th century medicine

Postby Eve » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:35 am

The Yahoo group is called
Chirurgeons : The Staff of the Serpent/Medical History

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Re: 13th century medicine

Postby Karen Larsdatter » Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:00 am

Back to the original question ... I'd also point you towards http://www.larsdatter.com/doctors.htm for some ideas. (Will the medicine chest be used by someone portraying a physician?) There's also some useful books linked from the right side of that page -- you might find Medicine in the English Middle Ages to be especially useful.

(As to the whole "women's medicine" conversation, I'd also point out The Trotula: An English Translation of the Medieval Compendium of Women's Medicine and also Hildegard von Bingen's Physica: The Complete English Translation of Her Classic Work on Health and Healing. Both are from the 12th century.)



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Re: 13th century medicine

Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:34 am

Hildegard Von Bingen also complied The Book of Divine Works, which while it does not focus exclusivily upon medicine does have chapters that explan her understanding of the them current physiology of man and how to treat various injuries such as burns and breaks and midwifery. (along with giving her local bishop and the pope a mild bollocking.)


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