Where do you attach your points?

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Re: Where do you attach your points?

Postby gregory23b » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:16 pm

You also get open hose into the 16thc, they are not confined to earlier years, who wears them is the issue. The 1460? statute says that only men at labourer class should wear open hose, anyone else closed.


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Re: Where do you attach your points?

Postby Colin Middleton » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:09 pm

I was visiting Sarah Thursfield on Friday and showed here this discussion because of the interesting pictures attached. It grabbed her interest and she's asked me to post the following comments for your enjoyment:

Sarah Thursfield wrote:Here's some comment which
you're very welcome to post there, or extract from.
As I explained I look at the Forum occasionally but don't join in,
partly because I don't want to come on like a bossy nanny when there are
plenty of people who know what they are talking about, but mostly
because once I started I'd never get any work done! If anyone ever
wants my opinion, they're very welcome to contact me and ask. A
couple of things I can help with on doublets and points, though:

So far as I can see there is absolutely no evidence, other than one
dodgy Italian image, for point-holes anywhere other than the bottom edge
of your doublet.
Contrast sleeves and collars appear to have been quite common, because
they're the bits that are seen under your outer garment. When trying to
decide how many garments are there, look at the wrists and the neck, and
count the edges; look at the lower edge. If the hose disappear under
the hem with no sign of points, there's something else under there -
however close-fitting it all looks.

What were doublets made from? The records show overwhelmingly fustian,
and some worsted, which is fine combed wool not the heat-trapping carded
sort. Fustian was a sturdy cloth, at that time usually linen warp and
cotton weft and a raised nap. We imported it from southern Europe,
especially Naples and Ulm in Germany, where they could get the cotton
throughVenice. Modern moleskin is its direct descendant, they're both
durable and not too pricey for working dress.
There's no mention of linen doublets, but for our purposes a firm linen
twill or canvas is probably acceptable. Lining and interlining was
linen (Holland and buckram get a mention).

Re the Talhoffer chap with the white body/red sleeve which English
Archer identifies as a 'grande assiette' sleeve - I'd say there's both
the deep seam and a conventional armhole. There are other eg's of this,
and it's a clever way of getting the benefit of the grande assiette
without the very considerable personal fitting that requires (anybody
want one? I'd like some more practise!). What it does is give ease
over the shoulderblades and upper chest, where a big fighty man has a
lot of muscles and chest capacity.


If anyone needs to contact her regarding this, she can be reached through her website http://www.sarahthursfield.com

Best wishes


Colin

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Re: Where do you attach your points?

Postby Jenn » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:09 pm

This page explains the grande assiette nicely
http://www.cottesimple.com/index.html




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