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2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:27 pm
by Errant Knight
hi Guys,

I made a 2 piece gothic breast plates quite a while ago and wasn't sure if they are meant to have any kind of movement between them.

Are they riveted to slide or not?

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:48 pm
by Colin Middleton
AFAIK it's a sliding rivit, but it's not forced to be.

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:06 am
by Errant Knight
what do you mean by "not forced to be"?

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:26 pm
by wulfenganck
I'm far from being expert on armour, you might check with the arms and armour archive.
But in general there seem to be two distinctive methods for the shifted breastplates in the 15th century (I suppose we're talking about the period from 1440 onwards?).
Italian breastplates and plackard were usually connected via a leather strip; german armourers favoured rivets. Since italian armouters were exporting great amounts into the whole of Europe, they produced lots of armours in style "alla tedesca" = german style: heavily fluted, symmetric pauldrons or scaulders, half-open rerebrace (etc.) AND riveted breastplates.
These rivets were usually sliding rivets as the idea was to remain some small flexibility.
Therefore some more details about the timeslot might be useful, as there are distinctions between, let's ay 1445 and 1485. Given the fact that both german and italian armourers were exported in great numbers, different styles can be found throughout the whole of Europe.

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:38 pm
by Colin Middleton
Errant Knight wrote:what do you mean by "not forced to be"?
That was a crap way to phrase it wasn't it!

I mean they aren't forced to be sliding. I THINK that you sometimes get the 2 parts rivited solidly togeather.

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:17 pm
by Errant Knight
ok, thanks for your help. I had previously made one and put sliding rivets in it but it didn't slide very easily. Guess I will try again but not get worried if it doesn't move well.

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:34 pm
by wulfenganck
Errant Knight wrote:ok, thanks for your help. I had previously made one and put sliding rivets in it but it didn't slide very easily. Guess I will try again but not get worried if it doesn't move well.
Pictures, please?

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:56 pm
by Fox
Errant Knight wrote:ok, thanks for your help. I had previously made one and put sliding rivets in it but it didn't slide very easily. Guess I will try again but not get worried if it doesn't move well.
My experience of sliding rivets is sometimes they don't, at least not to start with.

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:12 pm
by Colin Middleton
Ditto, my English breastplate has a sliding rivet, but doesn't move much, even after a few year's wear. That said, it doesn't reduce my mobility much.

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:20 am
by Errant Knight
Heres some pics as requested. My first attempt at fluting with hammer and stake. :)

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:43 pm
by Colin Middleton
What's the coating, it looks an odd colour?

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:41 am
by Errant Knight
Lanolin, did its job keeping the rust away but very sticky to pick up. I think something fell on this breast plate because I don't remember it being this wide. I'm going to reshape it a little when my new hammers arive. Then I will probably start making myself a 15th c Italian suit. :D

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:19 pm
by Colin Middleton
Ah! I use boiled linseed oil for a similar purpose.