2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
User avatar
Errant Knight
Posts: 18
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:23 am
Location: Wamuran, Qld, Australia
Contact:

2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Errant Knight »

hi Guys,

I made a 2 piece gothic breast plates quite a while ago and wasn't sure if they are meant to have any kind of movement between them.

Are they riveted to slide or not?

User avatar
Colin Middleton
Absolute Wizard
Posts: 2037
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:31 pm
Location: Sheffield
Contact:

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Colin Middleton »

AFAIK it's a sliding rivit, but it's not forced to be.
Colin

"May 'Blood, blood, blood' be your motto!"

Image

User avatar
Errant Knight
Posts: 18
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:23 am
Location: Wamuran, Qld, Australia
Contact:

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Errant Knight »

what do you mean by "not forced to be"?

User avatar
wulfenganck
Posts: 225
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:54 am
Location: Seligenstadt, Germany

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by wulfenganck »

I'm far from being expert on armour, you might check with the arms and armour archive.
But in general there seem to be two distinctive methods for the shifted breastplates in the 15th century (I suppose we're talking about the period from 1440 onwards?).
Italian breastplates and plackard were usually connected via a leather strip; german armourers favoured rivets. Since italian armouters were exporting great amounts into the whole of Europe, they produced lots of armours in style "alla tedesca" = german style: heavily fluted, symmetric pauldrons or scaulders, half-open rerebrace (etc.) AND riveted breastplates.
These rivets were usually sliding rivets as the idea was to remain some small flexibility.
Therefore some more details about the timeslot might be useful, as there are distinctions between, let's ay 1445 and 1485. Given the fact that both german and italian armourers were exported in great numbers, different styles can be found throughout the whole of Europe.

User avatar
Colin Middleton
Absolute Wizard
Posts: 2037
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:31 pm
Location: Sheffield
Contact:

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Colin Middleton »

Errant Knight wrote:what do you mean by "not forced to be"?
That was a crap way to phrase it wasn't it!

I mean they aren't forced to be sliding. I THINK that you sometimes get the 2 parts rivited solidly togeather.
Colin

"May 'Blood, blood, blood' be your motto!"

Image

User avatar
Errant Knight
Posts: 18
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:23 am
Location: Wamuran, Qld, Australia
Contact:

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Errant Knight »

ok, thanks for your help. I had previously made one and put sliding rivets in it but it didn't slide very easily. Guess I will try again but not get worried if it doesn't move well.

User avatar
wulfenganck
Posts: 225
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:54 am
Location: Seligenstadt, Germany

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by wulfenganck »

Errant Knight wrote:ok, thanks for your help. I had previously made one and put sliding rivets in it but it didn't slide very easily. Guess I will try again but not get worried if it doesn't move well.
Pictures, please?

User avatar
Fox
Absolute Wizard
Posts: 2652
Joined: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:27 pm
Location: Cheshire

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Fox »

Errant Knight wrote:ok, thanks for your help. I had previously made one and put sliding rivets in it but it didn't slide very easily. Guess I will try again but not get worried if it doesn't move well.
My experience of sliding rivets is sometimes they don't, at least not to start with.

User avatar
Colin Middleton
Absolute Wizard
Posts: 2037
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:31 pm
Location: Sheffield
Contact:

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Colin Middleton »

Ditto, my English breastplate has a sliding rivet, but doesn't move much, even after a few year's wear. That said, it doesn't reduce my mobility much.
Colin

"May 'Blood, blood, blood' be your motto!"

Image

User avatar
Errant Knight
Posts: 18
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:23 am
Location: Wamuran, Qld, Australia
Contact:

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Errant Knight »

Heres some pics as requested. My first attempt at fluting with hammer and stake. :)
Attachments
gothic-breast2.jpg
gothic-breast.jpg

User avatar
Colin Middleton
Absolute Wizard
Posts: 2037
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:31 pm
Location: Sheffield
Contact:

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Colin Middleton »

What's the coating, it looks an odd colour?
Colin

"May 'Blood, blood, blood' be your motto!"

Image

User avatar
Errant Knight
Posts: 18
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:23 am
Location: Wamuran, Qld, Australia
Contact:

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Errant Knight »

Lanolin, did its job keeping the rust away but very sticky to pick up. I think something fell on this breast plate because I don't remember it being this wide. I'm going to reshape it a little when my new hammers arive. Then I will probably start making myself a 15th c Italian suit. :D

User avatar
Colin Middleton
Absolute Wizard
Posts: 2037
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:31 pm
Location: Sheffield
Contact:

Re: 2 piece Gothic Breast Plate - Do they have sliding rivets?

Post by Colin Middleton »

Ah! I use boiled linseed oil for a similar purpose.
Colin

"May 'Blood, blood, blood' be your motto!"

Image

Post Reply