14th century armour, list of what you should have???

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14th century armour, list of what you should have???

Postby Templar Knight » Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:22 pm

Can some one tell me what they wore , im use to 11th - 13th century so getting into the transitional period has got me baffled. I really have no idea what they wore under their armour or how they would attach it if they had like an arming jacket. I'm making the costume for circa 1350 so will have a houndskull, arm harness, leg harness, globose breat plate or brigadine aint sure which yet, hourglass gauntlets and my mail skirt and aventail and so forth, So what do i wear underneath? Any good reference books i should buy or websites i should look at, I havent seen any so far. Waffled on abit, but yeah any help would be appreciated.
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Postby PaulMurphy » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:23 am

You should take the time to do some research before spending lots of money on kit, as any mistakes you make will inevitably mean that you lose money and time getting it right second or third time around, or you'll just carry on getting it wrong and either not knowing (or not caring).

For 1350, my first question would be what are you trying to portray - England, France, or what? Military orders or not? And, given your username, you do realise that the Templars ceased to exist well before 1350?

Given all that, your list has a few issues - the houndskull is a later helmet, so for 1350 you should either have an open bascinet with aventail, or perhaps a klappvisor helmet - see http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_spot_bascinet.html for some details. If an open helmet was good enough for the Black Prince, then others in England are likely to have used the same kit.

Arm and leg "harness" as such is just starting to get articulated by 1350, beginning with everything being strapped together with leather, and developing towards full enclosure of the limbs, but that's some way off. Think more of individual plates which are tied or strapped to an underlying mail shirt, with the focus by 1350 on replacing the mail chausses and lower sleeves by plate defences which are enclosed.

Forget about a breast plate or brigandine - while there may be some evidence for additional chest protection (http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/forums/view.php?p=57973), this is generally held to be either additional leather armour, or a coat of plates - a brigandine is similar, but in technical terms is later and has a lot more plates of much smaller size.

Hourglass gauntlets are generally dated as being from 1350 onwards, so I'd steer clear of them unless you are portraying someone from the top 10% of the nobility, say an earl or higher, or unless you stretched your target date to say about 1360, when they would have filtered down and become fashionable. Instead, go with mail mitts or Wisby style gauntlets with small plates rivetted to leather - see http://www.myarmoury.com/review_jk_gaunthg.html

Underneath, you wear what everyone else in that period was wearing - linen shirt, woollen hose over linen braies, a quilted gambeson/ahketon (more a padded doublet at this period), and then a jupon over the top of the armour. When not wearing armour, a tunic of wool or perhaps silk would be worn over the shirt.

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Postby Templar Knight » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:35 pm

Thanks Paul, umm yeah missed out about what country England all the way. Well i dont know that age of the 14th Century this is but I would like it look like this, so if you can give me a date for when this would of been worn ill research into that and get going from there.
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Postby PaulMurphy » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:55 pm

OK, my main period of interest ends at 1350, but I'd put that image at 1390-1400 based on the level of plate articulation and enclosure, and the helmet shape. I could be out by 10-20 years either way, depending on the level of the person in society, as the best/newest forms of armour were always worn by the highest people first, as they could afford them...

See http://www.bunbury.org.uk/papers/Sir_Hugh_paper.htm and http://www.history.ac.uk/richardII/black_prince.html for some comparable tomb effigies from this period.

Oh, and for soft kit, there's nothing to beat Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince and the Medieval Tailor's Assistant - both should be available from any library on Inter-Library Loan.


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Postby Colin Middleton » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:15 pm

I'd haveput that harness a bit earlier than 1390 as we had full harness by 1415 (at least for the king), but not much earlier.

Similarly, I thought that the breastplate had come in before 1350, though it's between my periods of interest, so I'm not certain.


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Postby Templar Knight » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:17 pm

hmmm, ill just go to lead RA see if they have any similair.


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Postby Phil the Grips » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:48 pm

The man in that harness is Christian Tobler- he can be contacted through this website-
http://www.selohaar.org/


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