History of the Kettle

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When we do gigs I see lots of people with blackened kettles. Are these appropriate for 15thc? I would much prefer to use one of these but have been told to find evidence of authenticity before I can put mine to use.

Anyone knowing the answer would be appreciated.

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Moved to the appropriate forum where it will get some attention.

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Ketill (Old Norse), ketel (Middle English) = kettle. The word kettle derives from the Latin "catillus" a diminutive of "catinus" or "large bowl." It appears in Old English as "cetel" and in Old Norse as "ketill." In Middle English it is "ketel."

The definition is, a metal pot, usually with a lid for boiling or stewing. It is a synonym for cauldron. An early spouted teakettle can be seen in this illustration detail from Pedro de la Vega, Flos Sanctorum, Zaragoza, G. Coci, 1544.

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Ooops forgot to add the quote is from "A glossary of medieval and renaissance culinary terms"
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Many thanks for that, guess I'll have to keep using cauldren then,

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Anne, it also depends which 'kettle hat' you are after, the WOTr era ones are different from the 13th and 14thc ones that are rather common on the field.

I can suggest the Martyrdom of St Ursula from one variation at least.
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lol. I mean the type you boil water in

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So you did, me being dense, sorry.
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S'OK Marcus, he just did that to prove his underlying empathy with Humanity.

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Hush Marcus, or I will have to sort yez.

I genuinely saw kettle and saw 'kettle hat', my reality filter or the filter that says, RTFQ was definitely off.

I make more mistakes than I have successes, I call it constructive cock-up making....the list is rather long, but people have better things to do.
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[quote="gregory23b"]
I genuinely saw kettle and saw 'kettle hat',quote]

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Obviously a biker joke.

I will laugh, but for different reasons ;-)
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:?
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Meaning my four leaved friend, that the obvious comment (from a non-biker - ie me) is 'that is not a kettle, it is a motorbike' - rather than be sneered at by great big hairy bikers, or Dave, I chose to laugh at my own ignorance. ;-)

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if you are in need of knowing about the bike do a search for 'the kettle club'
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:? :shock:
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I will make sure that the kettle we use does not contain petrol and rubber ,even if authentic or not lol

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So is a bike a kettle now? :oops:
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pigsxyz wrote:When we do gigs I see lots of people with blackened kettles. Are these appropriate for 15thc? I would much prefer to use one of these but have been told to find evidence of authenticity before I can put mine to use.

Anyone knowing the answer would be appreciated.

cheers Ann
The type of kettle in question has been knocking around in china for a couple of thousand years in one form or other. But what came first the ceramic teapot or the metal kettle?
The oldest known teapot (still intact)is from 1513 and is in the Flagstaff House Museum of Teaware in Hong Kong.
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Teapots as we know then didn't arrive in europe until tea became popular at the end of the 17thC. The chinese used to ship the tea with the porcelain teapots as it wasn't until the1760's that a way to make porcelain was devised in britain.

The suzuki motor bike on the other hand is japanese. :wink:
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