The Order of Preference for Livery Companies

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The Order of Preference for Livery Companies

Postby jelayemprins » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:40 pm

Thought you might like this -guess the first 70 are pre 1500 ??
Theres some interesting crafts here...

A list of Companies in order of precedence.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Mercers (general merchants)
2. Grocers
3. Drapers
4. Fishmongers
5. Goldsmiths
6/7. *Merchant Taylors (tailors)
6/7. *Skinners (fur trade)
8. Haberdashers
9. Salters
10. Ironmongers
11. Vintners
12. Clothworkers
13. Dyers
14. Brewers
15. Leathersellers
16. Pewterers
17. Barbers (also surgeons and dentists)
18. Cutlers
19. Bakers
20. Waxchandlers
21. Tallowchandlers
22. Armourers & Brasiers (armour-makers and workers in brass)
23. Girdlers (girdles and belts as clothing)
24. Butchers
25. Saddlers
26. Carpenters
27. Cordwainers (workers in fine leather)
28. Painter Stainers
29. Curriers (dressers of tanned leather)
30. Masons
31. Plumbers
32. Innholders
33. Founders
34. Poulters
35. Cooks
36. Coopers (barrel makers)
37. Tylers and Bricklayers
38. Bowyers (longbow makers)
39. Fletchers (arrow makers)
40. Blacksmiths
41. Joiners
42. Weavers
43. Woolmen (winders and packers of wool)
44. Scriveners(writers of court letters and legal documents)
45. Fruiterers
46. Plaisterers (plasterers)
47. Stationers & Newspapers Makers
48. Broderers (embroiderers)
49. Upholders (upholsterers)
50. Musicians
51. Turners
52. Basketmakers
53. Glaziers
54. Horners
55. Farriers (shoes of horses/veterinary surgeons)
56. Paviors (paving, highways)
57. Loriners (stirrups and other harnesses for horses)
58. Apothecaries (medicine)
59. Shipwrights
60. Spectaclemakers
61. Clockmakers
62. Glovers
63. Feltmakers (hats)
64. Framework Knitters
65. Needlemakers
66. Gardeners
67. Tinplate Workers
68. Wheelwrights
69. Distillers
70. Pattenmakers(makers of wooden clog-style footwear)
71. Glass Sellers
72. Coachmakers and Coach Harness Makers
73. Gunsmiths
74. Gold and Silver Wyre Drawers(gold and silver braid for uniforms)
75. Makers of Playing Cards
76. Fan Makers
77. Carmen
78. Master Mariners
79. Solicitors
80. Farmers
81. Air Pilots and Air Navigators
82. Tobacco Pipe Makers and Tobacco Blenders
83. Furniture Makers
84. Scientific Instrument Makers
85. Chartered Surveyors
86. Chartered Accountants
87. Chartered Secretaries and Administrators
88. Builders Merchants
89. Launderers
90. Marketors
91. Actuaries
92. Insurers
93. Arbitrators
94. Chartered Engineers
95. Fuellers
96. Lightmongers
97. Environmental Cleaners
98. Chartered Architects
99. Constructors
100. Information Technologists
101. World Traders
102. Water Conservators
103. Firefighters

105. Marketors


* Dating from disagreement over preceedent order in the 'Middle Ages', the Merchant Taylors' and the Skinners change position annually; hence the expression 'to be at sixes and sevens'.






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Postby guthrie » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:07 pm

A point of order- on the internet it is regarded as polite and indeed necessary to put up the url of something you have cut and pasted, unless it is your own work.

The url in question is:
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Postby Tuppence » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:15 am

it's also not accurate for medieval times.

at the very least it completely misses the guild of linen armourers, which although later absorbed into the guild of master tailors, was a guild in its own right during much of the middle ages.


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Postby gregory23b » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:57 am

Also it lists painters and stainers as one, they did not amalgamate until about 1502, they were distinctly different guilds for three hundred years, the painters being above the cloth stainers.

So there :D


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Postby jelayemprins » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:38 am

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1st apologies for missing out the url link. :oops:
2nd agree with you DL & JK that some of the minutiae is not correct
3rd - so lets take the list and insert / amend the others, as a point of reference for all. perhaps even making it 'sticky'- a full definitive list would be a good asset for all ?
I wonder if there will ever be a guild of web forum posters & moderators 8)
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Postby gregory23b » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:44 am

There is the Guild of Pedants and Nit Pickers, huge membership, worldwide and has no known beginning. ;-)


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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:53 pm

Ah yes the Honourable Company of p*ss takers. :roll:


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Postby guthrie » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:01 pm

Marcus Woodhouse wrote:Ah yes the Honourable Company of p*ss takers. :roll:

Not so- that particular guild was very short lived and was amalgamated into the tanners very quickly.



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Postby gregory23b » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:12 pm

I would have thought that the dyers were the biggest p*ss takers, pedantically speaking of course.

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Postby guthrie » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:00 pm

gregory23b wrote:I would have thought that the dyers were the biggest p*ss takers, pedantically speaking of course.

:D

Yes that's right, I was getting things mixed up for a second.



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Postby gregory23b » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:15 pm

But master, the tanners used worse things, poo and brains...makes the dyers seem normal in comparison.

...in appreciation... :lol:


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Postby guthrie » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:31 pm

Well, I wasn't going to get all scatological...



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Postby gregory23b » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:35 pm

Nor need you had master.

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Postby RTB » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:21 am

What's the difference between 'The Honourable Company of....' and 'The Worshipful Company of...'?

I don't know the answer by the way, just in case someone thinks there's a prize.


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Postby Jack the dodgy builder » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:06 am

Its worth noting that this list is only for the London livery companies , who think they own the world but dont!!

The first precend list wasnt done until 1515 .

Carpenters granted liverey 1477

Spectacle makers 1629

So not as simple as it seems

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Postby Laffin Jon Terris » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:33 pm

gregory23b wrote:There is the Guild of Pedants and Nit Pickers, huge membership, worldwide and has no known beginning. ;-)


Actually Jorge, I think you'll find........... :twisted:


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Postby gregory23b » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:49 pm

Yeah, but no, but :twisted:


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Postby Mark Griffin » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:14 pm

And The painter Stainers (was in the hall today ! :) ) usually feature lower than the archery chaps until the mid 17th, when the archers rather take a back seat.

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Postby gregory23b » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:17 pm

And Griff, you are a MoTOGoSL - Member of The Original Guild of Saynt Luke, I have the badge to prove it.


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Postby Mark Griffin » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:55 am

and so do I, its little happy bovine features gaze up at me occasionally


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