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by Dave Key
Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:40 am
Forum: General History
Topic: The History of Re-enactment
Replies: 63
Views: 16665

Shame really, what it needed was a great big row, like 'the one where Dave Key* got so annoyed that he actually jumped up and down on the spot' of 1988, major group barney but it went the right way in the end. Oh heady days. :twisted: *if you know Dave, you will also know he is mild mannered and ex...
by Dave Key
Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:18 am
Forum: General History
Topic: Livery Colours
Replies: 26
Views: 13174

Colin Middleton wrote:A blue kind of blue.


Absolutely ... Azure is a heraldic way of describing colours ... records for the actual livery cloth say 'blue'

Cheers
Dave
by Dave Key
Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:14 am
Forum: General History
Topic: Clothyard ?
Replies: 10
Views: 3974

Couple of points here ... 1. Cloth yard I always explain the term "clothyard" in this way: imagine holding a bolt of cloth upright in front of you. Now imagine grasping the edge of the cloth in your left hand, steadying the bolt with your right. Now imagine pulling out the cloth to the lim...
by Dave Key
Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:55 am
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: The colour of leather in 1370...
Replies: 8
Views: 1273

From recollection colours in documents may notmean what you think ... White leather means tawed, generally non-bovine, leather (whittawed) which uses alum and so although it maybe whiteit is not necessarily so. Black leather is tanned bovine 'finished' leather Red leather is unfinished leather and s...
by Dave Key
Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:27 am
Forum: General History
Topic: Question for the archers among us
Replies: 57
Views: 14185

With regard to headed vs unheaded arrows .... In the list of 'ordnance' taken by John Sturgeon to France in 1475 we find ... In shevys of arowes of ix ynches cccl [24*350= 8400 arrows] In arowys of viij ynches mccccl [1450 arrows] In arowys of vij ynches vij[m] ccccclx [7560 arrows] In arowys unhede...
by Dave Key
Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:49 pm
Forum: General History
Topic: Question for the archers among us
Replies: 57
Views: 14185

Nice pics as always Karen. ;-) Also, do the Schilling Chronicles not offer the possibility of the belt arrows slightly tied in as well? Some dim recollection scratches at me. ---- Jorge Ref, the wicker baskets, where is the source for that? The bags seem right, again as per the Schilling Chronicles...
by Dave Key
Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:50 am
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Can any one help find Medieval Statue laws and Ordinances
Replies: 16
Views: 3157

Calendar Patent Rolls are not the same as the Statutes of the Realm. Useful and well worth a browse though they may be. Yes, although I did check before posting and the first one I came across, was for the enforcement of the statute given in the example above: http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/...
by Dave Key
Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:46 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Can any one help find Medieval Statue laws and Ordinances
Replies: 16
Views: 3157

Hi This may help http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/ Regards Graham Calendar Patent Rolls are not the same as the Statutes of the Realm. Useful and well worth a browse though they may be. If you were after the Scottish parliament then it's online. For England I think you'll have to go for the ha...
by Dave Key
Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:08 am
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Can any one help find Medieval Statue laws and Ordinances
Replies: 16
Views: 3157

It's a very good question to ask and you'd be surprised how often the "I read it somewhere" is actually just a Chinese Whisper of the real Statutes. For England your starting point if you want to read the actual Statutes is ... "Statutes of the Realm" Vol 1 (1235-1377) Vol 2 (137...
by Dave Key
Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:46 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Late Medieval hats
Replies: 14
Views: 2463

Dave, Thanks for that. I'm sure I have a book on historic weights and measures somewhere(?). Do you know if the Southampton records are available online anywhere? I think they may be in JSTOR but I don't have access. Cheers John John, Sorry I don't know, I'm a subscriber to the series so I've never...
by Dave Key
Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:17 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Late Medieval hats
Replies: 14
Views: 2463

20 cases sugar weight 20 C. lbs 30 cases sugar weight 30 C. lbs. I'm not exactly sure what these mean. Is 20 C lbs = 200 lbs or 2,000lbs? Is this the weight of 20 cases or the weight of each case. Any way there is an awful lot of sugar listed. How many times have you heard it said medieval people d...
by Dave Key
Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:16 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Billmen - myth?
Replies: 273
Views: 29294

To suggest that a morris pike is short makes a nonsence of Silver's descriptions of perfect length in Paradoxes of Defence. Perhaps marospikes are something else again. With regards to the word morris, I was of the understanding that it had two meanings, Morrish from the Middle English moreys , and...
by Dave Key
Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:37 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Billmen - myth?
Replies: 273
Views: 29294

Should we consider " forest bill " as a contrast to " morris pike "? In the case of morris pike, the morris means moorland , i.e. it's a very long spear for use in open terrain; what, in modern parlance, we mean when we say pike . Fox, I'm curious where the association of "...
by Dave Key
Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:38 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Billmen - myth?
Replies: 273
Views: 29294

A dissertation I have about the French expedition of 1475. There are lots of sources out there that almost no one here has seen that have either been transcribed or are in print. Just kinda shows how bad stuff written on the military aspects of the WOR is. Got to agree with Brent here (and my great...
by Dave Key
Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:44 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Household Archers in the WOTR. What did they wear.
Replies: 30
Views: 4656

Oh well, since no one rose to my challenge ... [quote="Colin Middleton]I'm actually looking at how livery was used and controlled in a general sense, rather than what badges and colours were used by who. [/quote] Are you still looking ? What in particular are you looking for? Most of the work I...
by Dave Key
Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:24 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: The Diary of A Gunner (or Madman up to you)
Replies: 27
Views: 3504

:D

Have to agree with Jorge ... nice job!

Makes me all reminiscent of 'Thomas'. Very similar and a lovely gun she was.

Now all you need is the limber and horses to go with it. :-)
by Dave Key
Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:16 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Household Archers in the WOTR. What did they wear.
Replies: 30
Views: 4656

Blore, Ferrybridge and Bosworth are the only ones I can think of with important cavalry action Somerset cavalry (having abandoned his footmen for speed in Exeter ) routed York's van at Worksop in Dec 1460 and the use of cavalry particularly with regard the ambush is also recorded at Wakefield short...
by Dave Key
Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:15 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Household Archers in the WOTR. What did they wear.
Replies: 30
Views: 4656

Blore, Ferrybridge and Bosworth are the only ones I can think of with important cavalry action Somerset cavalry (having abandoned his footmen for speed in Exeter ) routed York's van at Worksop in Dec 1460 and the use of cavalry particularly with regard the ambush is also recorded at Wakefield short...
by Dave Key
Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:51 am
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Household Archers in the WOTR. What did they wear.
Replies: 30
Views: 4656

[His men would wear his badge / device. IIRC - This was granted separately and would be linked to the coat of arms - the colours might be those of the mantle for example - and the device might be related to the crest or the supporters. It's more the other way around. Originally the Coat of Arms was...
by Dave Key
Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:13 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Billmen - myth?
Replies: 273
Views: 29294

This is explicitly referenced in contemporary Scottish acts which go into greater detail about what the expectation/requirement was according to income/property. A very interesting post that has made following this thread worthwhile. If it is possible could you private message me with more informat...
by Dave Key
Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:45 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Billmen - myth?
Replies: 273
Views: 29294

This is explicitly referenced in contemporary Scottish acts which go into greater detail about what the expectation/requirement was according to income/property. A very interesting post that has made following this thread worthwhile. If it is possible could you private message me with more informat...
by Dave Key
Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:43 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Billmen - myth?
Replies: 273
Views: 29294

(1) ...that "archers" are indeed archers, and not some mixture of troops. Presumably this is in answer to the Man from Coventry's post, in which he says that a 1475 expedition from France included a contingent of "700 archers", containing 200 welsh spears. Not in answer to anyth...
by Dave Key
Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:52 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: What is known about Late Medival battlefield Combat?
Replies: 45
Views: 6215

Also evidence from the Coventry Leetbook points to town contingents being recruited from foreigners (i.e the countryside surrounding the city) rather than the townsfolk (far too astute to risk their skins). It's been a while since I read the Coventry Leet ... what is the evidence you are using to s...
by Dave Key
Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:44 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Team / House Liverys for Recognition
Replies: 149
Views: 78539

Re: ROYAL HOUSEHOLD

hys grace wrote:FOR ME YOU CANT BEAT A GOOD BIT OF MURREY AND AZURE, WITH THE WHITE ROSE AND SUNBURST ON!!!!!!!!!! HUZZAH


To be precise ... Blue and Murrey.

Azure is heraldic nonsense which has no place with Livery in the Yorkist period.
by Dave Key
Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:49 am
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Billmen - myth?
Replies: 273
Views: 29294

Jorge asked me to take a look at the thread and maybe comment on the references I'd made/used in writing the article on Bends etc. I'll be honest and start by saying that I haven't been able to look at this topic for quite a while now so please excuse me a few (?) inaccuracies as this is pretty much...
by Dave Key
Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:13 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Billmen - myth?
Replies: 273
Views: 29294

I will drop Dave a line... Shhh. He's here. :lol: Fox, Jorge did indeed send me the note and I am indeed 'here' :D ... been trying to catch-up on what people have said and will try to add a few thoughts as quickly as I can ... and trying to remember where my notes are !! Cheers Dave
by Dave Key
Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:41 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Medieval Soldier database
Replies: 24
Views: 4078

"keeping of the seas" is essentially what we'd call the Navy. Although we rarely consider the sea when talking about military roles it was crucial to medieval monarchs. Indeed much of what we know about medieval armies comes from the Black book of the Admiralty! As well as converted merch...
by Dave Key
Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:27 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: Medieval Soldier database
Replies: 24
Views: 4078

Wow! 49 Walkers 8) Although I can imagine some names are the same person mustering at different places at dfferent times. What's "keeping of the sea" regards an archer under "Neville, John Lord" 1371? A sailor? Difficult to be sure without a field telling us where they were to s...
by Dave Key
Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:28 pm
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: WOTR Alleigences.
Replies: 76
Views: 9700

But since most badges and liveries were derived from the Lords' coats of arms, the heralds would still be the most likely to be able to work out who they were facing. I'm not sure that this is strictly speaking true, especially in the early arms. In more modern heraldry where the coat is part of th...
by Dave Key
Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:17 am
Forum: 1100-1500
Topic: WOTR Alleigences.
Replies: 76
Views: 9700

Could the confusion over badges be why there are referecnces to troops calling "A Warwick! A Warwick!" and " A Clarence! A Clarence!" ? Remember that only the professional heralds would know all the liveries and which sides they are on. Most troops wouldn't be able to recognise ...

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