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by **Phil the Grips** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:21 pm

To continue my fascination with light horsemen of history (hobilars, prickers, reivers, highwaymen, yeomanry etc) I was reminded of the "Moss Troopers" of the C17th (and their foot equivalen the "cravat").

Is there a decent reference on these fellows other than Reid's "Scots Armies..." Osprey book, which is quite light, on the subject?

by **Nigel** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:01 pm

You asked

Stuarts first book has a few references

Peruse the shelves next time you stay

by **Phil the Grips** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:00 pm

Will do- can feel a new suit coming on...

by **Andy R** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:49 pm

Phil the Grips wrote: I was reminded of the "Moss Troopers" of the C17th (and their foot equivalen the "cravat").

Is there a decent reference on these fellows other than Reid's "Scots Armies..." Osprey book, which is quite light, on the subject?

Reid mentions Cpt Augustine's Cravats who appear to have been a most audacious light cavalry unit.

I too would be interestes in any further reading.

I ought to look at Reid's bibliography.

by **Phil the Grips** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:53 am

Yep- just read the Osprey more closely (it appears there are words in them as well as colour plates!

) and he seems to have been the exception by maintaining military structure and using them as a light military force- the last of the "chasing staves".

It seems that most of the rest were ex-soldiers using their skills in peacetime to earn a crust and the transition point between reiver and highwayman as a result

Looking through my dressing up box it seems all I lack is a suitable doublet/coat...

by **steve stanley** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:11 am

Phil the Grips wrote:Looking through my dressing up box it seems all I lack is a suitable doublet/coat...

And,of course,some Ironsides to hunt you down...... :lol:

Steve

by **Andy R** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:32 am

Phil the Grips wrote:Looking through my dressing up box it seems all I lack is a suitable doublet/coat...

Like that's gonna stop you for long...

by **Phil the Grips** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:55 pm

I may or may not have been searching for buff coats this morning...

by **steve stanley** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:41 pm

Changing the subject slightly & 'cos I think the Scots used them as well...Does anybody make the Dutch Munition swords as shown in the Osprey on Gustavus Adolphus's Army...might finally make me get a new 17c sword.......
Steve

by **Andy R** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:21 am

Like this?

by **steve stanley** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:49 am

Far too fancy!

..It's on p12 of the Cavalry book...vertical "S" quillions,pierced guard(like yours),but no knuckle guards.
Steve

by **Andy R** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:03 am

Talk to Boj then.

I asked for a Walloon, and this is what I got.
(and might pleased I was too)

Fancy my hairy bobbing man-arse - it's a functional cavalry sword...!

Although going a bit back on subject, I would like one of the Dutch pots that Augustine is wearing in the Osprey book

by **steve stanley** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:09 am

Andy R wrote:Talk to Boj then.

May have to do so.....meant too fancy for a non-mounted mud-puddler like me!
Steve

by **Phil the Grips** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:37 pm

Andy R wrote:Although going a bit back on subject, I would like one of the Dutch pots that Augustine is wearing in the Osprey book

Summat like this (minus the face plate)?

by **Andy R** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:44 pm

No, it's more like a morian with a nasal bar and "roman" cheek pieces.

It's the one warn by Augustine in the last plate on Reid's "scots armies of the ECW"

by **Phil the Grips** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:44 pm

Fairy snuff- just checked but it looked similar (this is from a fella making a Polish Winged Lancer kit) except for the broader nasal and lobster scales at the back.

by **Andy R** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:00 pm

Just so I know we are talking about the same thing.

Plate H, dude in the middle with buff coat.

If you look at his helmet, it has a brim that goes all the way arround.

Typically, these do not have neck pieces.

But I do like the big feck off cheek pieces.

by **Nigel** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:14 pm

I think the original is in Bamburgh for some obscure reason

by **Phil the Grips** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:39 pm

Yep- you're right Andy. It's the same theme 'cept the one in the book is more "morion"-y whereas this one is more "zischagge"-y

I think the National Army Museum has one.

by **Andy R** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:33 pm

Phil the Grips wrote:I think the National Army Museum has one.

And yet I don't

That is so unfair...!
(and something that will have to re rectified)

by **steve stanley** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:18 pm

Catching up here.....I think the appropriate Osprey also depicts Swedish Cavalry in them.....
Steve

by **Phil the Grips** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:24 am

Andy R wrote:
Phil the Grips wrote:I think the National Army Museum has one.

And yet I don't

Realised it was the Dutch NAM I was thinking of- I have one of their catalogues in storage and will dig it out at some point (a cloggy mate rescued 50 of them from a skip outisde the musueum and distributed them to us at Jeff's as a pressie

)

by **Andy R** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:27 pm

Senility is setting in earlier these days.

Swedish pot, not Dutch, and cravats were "a piratical band of musketeers".

I also must get past the pretty pictures and read the wordy things (or at least remember what I read)

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